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Post by cxq319 on Sept 29, 2015 14:43:18 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that the bad guys are going to leave kate's family alone just because she left. They have no idea what she has told them or how much they know. This does not compute for me.
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Post by java on Sept 29, 2015 14:49:40 GMT -5
The logic escapes me. How does one pursue the bad guys independently while believing that they will leave your loved ones alone? Let's take a quick trip down recent memory lane.
Castle's 3 month disappearance occurred when he was grabbed... alone.
Beckett was at the mercy of Dr. Nieman when she was grabbed... alone.
So, this is the perfect setup. Beckett goes investigating alone. The bad guys, skilled enough to take out Bracken in federal prison and wipe out an AG team, goes and terminates Espo, Ryan, Lanie, and Gates while a second and third team picks up Mr. Beckett, Martha, Castle, and Alexis. Demand a meet with Beckett. Wipe everyone out.
Cinch because Beckett has no backups and we are dealing with folks even Bracken is afraid of.
I know, I know. Don't ruin your story with my...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 14:50:11 GMT -5
I'm on vacation and missed it. Why did Kate walk out? Exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 14:50:49 GMT -5
Read the official synopsis for next week. It includes the sentence, "But as he (Castle) and Beckett dig deeper." Does that sound like they're still apart? No, it does not. Deep breaths. Why put us through that two minutes of torture last night? I don't get it. That was just crap. |
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Post by castlelover66 on Sept 29, 2015 15:04:23 GMT -5
Read the official synopsis for next week. It includes the sentence, "But as he (Castle) and Beckett dig deeper." Does that sound like they're still apart? No, it does not. Deep breaths. Why put us through that two minutes of torture last night? I don't get it. That was just crap. That was before I read the interview with Hawley and Winter. I'm confident they will not be getting a divorce or separating permanently, but from what they said, it sounds like she's not living at the loft for a few episodes. I totally get her wanting to clear her head and deal with what everything, but why didn't she sit Castle down and say, "Babe, I need to go somewhere and clear my head for a few days. I love you, I'll be back, but I need some space to figure this out." I think the way she did it bothered me more than anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 15:05:14 GMT -5
It's really starting to remind me of soap operas. This is the standard modus operandi for soaps.....constantly breaking up and reuniting a popular couple. And the excuses for the breakups get flimsier and flimsier as time goes on. I just can't see the logic in this move. What are they hoping to accomplish with this? How does it serve to move the show forward? It doesn't for me..... i hate to say this but there were many people elsewhere that predicted this very thing. Some were spot on that the "blind item breakup" would be Castle and it would be Beckett walking away...again. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone thougt this was a good idea. I don't want to watch castle try to win her back. I've already spent 4 years watching that. I want to watch this adorkable, snarky couple solve murders together as they navigate their newly married life. Obviously TPTB disagree and here we are. Anyway, I've got to be awake and ready for work in 4 hours. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow. I never in a million years believed they would do this to us. Never. I just don't see, although Angie does, how this is going to further their "great love story" without some "buts".... We couldn't just have magic with their married life at the loft while they go on awkwardly trying to fight/solve crimes as a new captain and PI and how to steal away for a little mischief while at the 12th or those rare times they could be out in the field. I'm just still in shock. Sucker punched twice. I am a romantic fool who never thought my Castle would go this route. It breaks my heart. |
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Post by castle88 on Sept 29, 2015 15:37:58 GMT -5
I have to rewatch, but she didn't say goodbye we are done. She told him I love you more than anything and asked if he trusted her. He said he did and she told him I need some space to figure this out. They didn't break up. Don't fall for a TV Line headline.
At this point we don't know what the "separation" is or what it means we are just speculating.
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Post by angie1379 on Sept 29, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5
Okay, I'm gonna go there. I can't help it. It's the American Studies scholar in me. This is what we get with so very little gender diversity behind the scenes in Hollywood. This is what happens when men almost exclusively write, direct, produce, and create stories about human relationships with little input from women -- and Castle actually has one of the more diverse crews, but sadly that's still not saying much. Men inevitably miss some of the things that women value and see in relationships, and they don't always write women as we would write ourselves. We've had year after year of Andrew, Paul, Rob, Alexi, Terrance, David, and Chad calling the major shots with the only consistent female input being from Terri, who is now gone with no other woman of equal tenure to replace her. The other women writers have come and gone with only a few episode under their belt. Believe me, this is a factor. Castle's fanbase definitely skews female, and Kate Beckett is a paragon of female empowerment. But she is still almost exclusively viewed, written, and presented to us from a male perspective of what a woman is. Why did we all love Terri so much? Because she wrote Kate differently, softer, funnier, and generally more female. We oftentimes related to Terr's portrayal of Kate more deeply. There was a mark on her episodes that were different, and with no senior women left among TPTB, we've had two back-to-back episodes with more violence, exposure, and general testosterone than we're used to seeing. And I can't help but wonder if that is a trend that will continue.
I'm not suggesting all would be right with the world if they had all women on staff, or that men are incapable of writing female characters. However, I do believe some things might have gone differently with more women around to point out that women as an audience might interpret and receive that storyline differently than the men assumed. The show is now lacking any balance of perspective behind the scenes (not that one woman made it balanced before, but it was better than nothing).
So the guys think that rebooting the tension is the way to infuse energy back in the show, and I while I desperately hope I can enjoy the promised levity and banter to come, I do think they underestimated how much enjoyment women derive from the stability and consistency of a solid relationship. And maybe having a woman around would have helped them write this story in a way that didn't take the core audience past bearable heartbreak and into the realm of genuine betrayal.
Maybe.
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Post by sylvia4949 on Sept 29, 2015 15:38:57 GMT -5
I have only seen little bits of this episode on YouTube but I have seen the ending and to say I was startled was an undersstatement. It was for me a WTF (am I allowed to say that) moment. Kate could have told Castle exactly what was happening because if she really knows him she should know that he will start digging on his own - he's done it before. I love this programme and I'm sad to see it go this route. Based on this beginning I suspect we won't have a season 9!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 17:18:21 GMT -5
So my thoughts...I was loving this episode. I was enjoying the new character, I liked the action and the suspense. And, then...Not even a year and they have the characters going through a separation. I'm sorry but, no. Just no. I have been okay with a lot things this show has done over the years. I didn't really have any issue with 6x23. And, while a lot of the Castle disappearance was a bit contrived, I was, while not enthralled, okay with the story. But, this no. Just NO. This loses the magic for me. I'm not really sure I want to see Castle have to win her back. She left him. There is no excuse for that. None. Not when there was the safe option to let it go. This isn't the same as a lie to keep him safe. This is her choosing obsession, a very personal thus, selfish act, over her husband. No. Just no. I was ready to be OMGing this episode. Now...I'm just a tab bit angry. Exactly. I'm STILL having a hard time formulating how I feel. I don't think I have any more words, other than what everyone has already said. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 17:23:05 GMT -5
I guess I was out of the loop with this "Blind Item" thing. I think I stayed away from spoilers for most of the summer hiatus. Now I'm wondering if I might have seen something like this coming. I read the article (thanks for that Glo) ... but I need to calm down before processing it. What I don't understand is has the duo stopped to consider how betrayed we might be feeling right now? :: sighs :: I'll rewatch the episode tomorrow at my parents. :: goes to send PM :: Tefla, I'm a spoiler hound. And I didn't see this coming. There is no way I would've thought this would happen. I was that confident. I think those of us who are so invested are feeling the pain over the casual viewer. They will just quit watching. Or they view it as complete entertainment, laugh, and tune in next week. Those of us who have been in it for the long haul, who want to keep believing in the magic, will stay. And keep hoping. I think the other thing that breaks my heart is that we never thought they'd do this to us. Yes, I'm playing the victim, which I rarely do, but maybe tomorrow I won't be as frustrated. And, if I may boldly say, I'm equally frustrated that Stana let this happen. She's a producer now. Did she want this annihilation of her character? That she's worked SO HARD to bring to a victorious wall-breaker, confident woman, and allowing herself to be fully loved by Castle? Anyway, I will stop. I just can't help feeling that I think it may have been a good idea to call it quits last season. Just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 17:26:44 GMT -5
I don't have a real problem with the reasons Kate is leaving. She is trying to keep the person she lives most in the world alive. Castle doesn't know that the dead AG at the end is not the end of the problems. Kate knows that Castle is just like her. If she tells him everything, then he is going to throw himself right into this. Remember he investigated Kate's moms murder on his own. I get her thinking that to keep him alive she needs to get away (not sure I agree with it, but I get it). To me there is a bigger problem. If they are working cases together, then they're not really apart. So the whole point of leaving is defeated. To the bad guys, if they are around each other, why does it matter if they're living together. So then why go through the charade in the first place. That being said, these are two of the best writers this show has had. I believe they have a plan, and I am willing to see how they unravel the situation. Exactly. A few of us were talking earlier, in another place, and it makes no difference if she leaves. That's not keeping Castle safe. The bad guys will find him and everyone Kate loves regardless. Just silly. |
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Post by tycho657 on Sept 29, 2015 18:03:39 GMT -5
Just saw this Twitter post and had to post it. It said something like this:
Katherine Beckett where are you going with that little bag,? Your shoes and costs will never fit in that bag. Just turn around and go back right now. Right now..
Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards
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Post by java on Sept 29, 2015 18:55:13 GMT -5
Just saw this Twitter post and had to post it. It said something like this: Katherine Beckett where are you going with that little bag,? Your shoes and coats will never fit in that bag. Just turn around and go back right now. Right now.. Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards ROTFL!!! Yeah, can't fit Burberry into that little bag. |
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Post by castle1174 on Sept 30, 2015 11:30:08 GMT -5
azmcox I totally agree with you. Well said!
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