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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Sept 28, 2015 23:01:22 GMT -5
That's it, I'm angry! I'm angry that after all the character growth Beckett has gone through she would regress so badly. I get that she thinks she is protecting him and his family, but Castle is still married to her. He will still be a target, leaving won't protect him. Alexis is going to hate her for this. I think she'll add to the angst. This episode was everything I like in episodes, all but that last scene. I hope how they come back together is believable, and this will not happen again. Christine, this will be a tough one to review!You're not kidding. I'm struggling with it. |
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Post by motowncf on Sept 28, 2015 23:01:49 GMT -5
I haven't been around much lately, but I'm still creeping here as much as I can. Life has been busy, and I certainly don't have the time to be posting right now. However, I need an outlet for everything that's running through my head right now, as well as for my thoughts on everything I'm reading. I hope I can chime more often in the weeks to come. Yes, that end was heart-wrenching and brought up a lot of issues we thought Kate had long-since dealt with. But the silver lining of the pain of this separation is getting to see them come together again, of seeing Castle get his wife back and watching them have another first kiss and first time together. It's allowing them to fall in love all over again. That said, I am currently alternating between thinking Kate's obsessive personality is a dead horse they insist on beating, and acknowledging that perhaps there's some truth in the writers' not-so-subtle assertion that this kind of crusading is woven into her DNA. However, I'm not sure what she hopes walking away from Castle will help her realize. Is she trying to see if she can live without him, if her desire for justice exceeds even her love of her husband? Or is he trying to prove that the crusade is, in fact, not worth it. Does she want to remind herself of how lonely her world is without Rick and therefore solidify her decision to forgo being the lone wolf on the hunt? Either way, I'm borrowing from Castle himself and committing to being here for the story, wherever it takes me, because ultimately, I have 100 percent faith that their love will persevere. Maybe it's unfair to ask Rick to chase her again, and maybe it discredits Kate's character to show her regress this way, and maybe it's still way too soon after the wedding for anything to cause even a temporary rift --- BUT their love is open, deep, and enduring, and I trust that we will see that love bring them back together in a way that will do them justice. So, folly or not, burned before or not, I will give it a chance and embrace the heartache now, trusting the ends will justify these, oh so, heartbreaking means. I really hope you're right. But in the meantime I am afraid they are going to lose a lot of the audience. Just spot-checking around the net in the last hour, they have a really ticked-off fan base right now that they may never get back. I too will continue to watch, and hope for a quick reunion. But how many of us will there be left to see it? |
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Post by glo1196 on Sept 28, 2015 23:04:04 GMT -5
I'll be here til the wheels fall off, even in my present pissed off state!
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Post by motowncf on Sept 28, 2015 23:05:57 GMT -5
That's it, I'm angry! I'm angry that after all the character growth Beckett has gone through she would regress so badly. I get that she thinks she is protecting him and his family, but Castle is still married to her. He will still be a target, leaving won't protect him. Alexis is going to hate her for this. I think she'll add to the angst. This episode was everything I like in episodes, all but that last scene. I hope how they come back together is believable, and this will not happen again. Christine, this will be a tough one to review! It's really starting to remind me of soap operas. This is the standard modus operandi for soaps.....constantly breaking up and reuniting a popular couple. And the excuses for the breakups get flimsier and flimsier as time goes on. I just can't see the logic in this move. What are they hoping to accomplish with this? How does it serve to move the show forward? |
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Post by castlecrazee on Sept 28, 2015 23:16:04 GMT -5
Another episode I'll never watch again.
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Post by CF40 on Sept 28, 2015 23:26:09 GMT -5
That's it, I'm angry! I'm angry that after all the character growth Beckett has gone through she would regress so badly. I get that she thinks she is protecting him and his family, but Castle is still married to her. He will still be a target, leaving won't protect him. Alexis is going to hate her for this. I think she'll add to the angst. This episode was everything I like in episodes, all but that last scene. I hope how they come back together is believable, and this will not happen again. Christine, this will be a tough one to review! It's really starting to remind me of soap operas. This is the standard modus operandi for soaps.....constantly breaking up and reuniting a popular couple. And the excuses for the breakups get flimsier and flimsier as time goes on. I just can't see the logic in this move. What are they hoping to accomplish with this? How does it serve to move the show forward? It doesn't for me..... i hate to say this but there were many people elsewhere that predicted this very thing. Some were spot on that the "blind item breakup" would be Castle and it would be Beckett walking away...again. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone thougt this was a good idea. I don't want to watch castle try to win her back. I've already spent 4 years watching that. I want to watch this adorkable, snarky couple solve murders together as they navigate their newly married life. Obviously TPTB disagree and here we are. Anyway, I've got to be awake and ready for work in 4 hours. Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow. |
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Post by angie1379 on Sept 28, 2015 23:26:06 GMT -5
I'm also going back and forth between being upset that she walked away from those vows she spoke less than a year ago, and reminding myself that she's not leaving him forever. She's not divorcing him, or saying she doesn't want to be his wife, or that she doesn't love him. She needs time to get out of her own head -- and yes, optimally, one does that alongside one's partner. But this truly is some really heavy stuff she's dealing with, far heavier than when she was debating the job in DC. And yes, I would have loved to see her turn a corner and commit to her life with Castle, but this is also a chance to see compassion and forgiveness at it's best. This can show us Castle being there for her in whatever capacity she needs him. This time, she knows full well the pain she is causing, and she isn't glossing over his feelings at all. She is begging him to forgive her and trust her. So I'm going to hold on to that and see this not as walking away, but as figuring out how to come back 100 percent. Otherwise, I'm not sure I can make sense of it.
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Post by nathanfan1 on Sept 28, 2015 23:35:53 GMT -5
Well ...... hmmmmm ...... sigh ....... So, after sitting in front of the TV for the last 30 minutes and trying to figure out what I wanted to say, I decided I just better start typing and see what comes out! I'm somewhat in shock and still a little shaky and my mind is screaming - "I can't believe they went there!!!!" So pardon me if this is a ramble because my thoughts are coming at me a mile a minute. Usually, I take notes as I watch so I remember what I want to comment about afterwards. By the midpoint of the episode, I was still back on scene 2 and I finally just gave up and watched. It was a thrilling episode! Talk about non-stop action and plot development. Every scene held some critical element to the story and I have to hand it to Hawley and Winter - they wrote a heck of a tale. First off, I really liked that they didn't start with the proverbial, "Previously on Castle ...." By starting with Kate and Vickram about to be found, I was drawn right back into the intensity of the story. The introduction of Rita was a jaw dropping reveal and I loved it. The scene in the car where she explains a bit about herself was made quite funny with Vickram's comments from the backseat. I found it interesting that she also referred to Castle's dad as Jackson because I've always thought that was very likely just another alias. I did like the fact that Jackson had spoken highly of Kate. When the actual flashback started, it felt fresh and, again, I thought that was great plot placement by the writers. The scene of Kate sewing herself up was every bit as gross as Castle with the spiders last week. I don't know how they make that look so real! I was under the impression that Kate had taken a bullet but it must have been a grazing and I do have to say that she didn't seem handicapped by it for very long. The power of TV!  It was nice to see Martha, if only for a brief moment. I appreciated that she questioned Hayley's return and helpfulness, as did Castle. I think I'd have choked if he'd welcomed her back with open arms. I still dislike the way Hayley and Alexis seem to have teamed up. It feels forced to me and the other thing that bugs the heck out of me is just how Alexis has become this super sleuth. I can accept that they wanted to make her more adult but this feels like a quantum leap for a junior in college with no previous experience. I really hope Alexis and Hayley take a backseat for a couple of episodes at least but I'm doubting that's likely. The scene with Kate and Bracken at the prison was great, especially the way Bracken's attitude changed when Kate revealed her knowledge of the code. Bracken predicted his own death and sure enough, he got shanked. Guess this time he REALLY won't be returning! One of my favorite scenes had to be the parallel theorizing of Kate and Castle, both coming to the same conclusion about the plane. That was so well edited and reinforced their mind meld even when they weren't together. That hanger scene was intense, not knowing who to trust and yet another dead body. Just a side note here - these 2 episodes have probably resulted in more dead bodies that the better part of a whole season usually does! At the end of the scene, Hayley bows out, which would have been fine with me, but then they brought her back in the PI office scene so I presume we're stuck with her. On the other hand, I really like the character of Vickram. He played his innocence well and yet was capable and helpful when needed. As I understand it, he'll be back but not as a regular. That I can look forward to. I definitely liked the way Ryan and Espo were still included in everything and I called it that they would be the ones to pop out from somewhere and save the day. Just when you think that though, here comes another bad guy. I kind of figured Hayley would try something but Castle using his flying gun was AWESOME! Too bad he didn't get time to revel in being a hero. I can't tell you how happy I was that Castle confronted Kate about her lying to him and shutting him out. I'd have been so mad if it was just swept under the rug. I understand her justification for her actions but I'm also glad that she agreed there'd be no more secrets. Too bad that rosy feeling didn't last.  The scene back in the bullpen at the precinct was outstanding. I loved that Castle proudly introduced the new Captain and I though Nathan did a wonderful job with his facial expressions. You could feel the pride and happiness at that point. I also loved the acknowledgment of an injured LT. They didn't address it directly but by putting him clearly in the background behind Castle, we saw all we needed to know. That's great and efficient story telling. I kind of saw the twist with the AG gal coming. I didn't necessarily think it was her, but I was suspicious that there had to be some other informant. Another dead body and Kate coming to the realization that anyone associated with her would also end up dead, setting up the final scene. Talk about a sucker punch! I loved Castle making s'morelettes. By the way - I've tasted one and they're not half bad! I was looking at the clock and expecting a warm, fuzzy wrap up to the whole premier and then they showed the bag on the floor beside Kate. I actually said out loud - "NO! THEY WOULDN'T!!!" "OMG! THEY DID" First, let me say that Nathan's facial expressions throughout that scene were incredibly moving as he wrestled to deal with what was happening. My heart was breaking for him. Kate was obviously torn up too, and Stana nailed it with her performance. I had tears in my eyes right along with the both of them. It was a fantastically emotional scene. All that being said however, I can't believe that Hawley and Winter would risk leaving the episode with her walking out. Surely they know how much concern there was in the fandom all summer over whether or not we'd see Castle and Beckett together and some even believing they would split them up, despite the interviews where the show runners promised that they wouldn't. Why on earth would they do the very thing that could have even more viewers saying enough is enough and I'm out? I just don't get it. It reminds me of Marlowe's decision to scrap the wedding in order to start a new mystery arc and we all know how well that was received - NOT! Of course, I know that Kate and Castle are not going to split up. I saw the preview of the next episode and I believe the reassurances from this summer, but there are millions of more casual viewers out there that aren't nearly as invested as I am and I fear that they won't be back next week to see how this gets untangled. I hope the ratings next week prove me wrong but my gut tells me this was a poor risk. In summary, I thought this was a very well written 2 parter. They crammed a ton of story telling into these 2 episodes and the acting was as good as ever. It was exciting, nail biting, and emotional. I'm not particularly liking the new Hayley character or the abrupt change in Alexis but I do like the Vickram character. I like the new mystery arc and the fact that Castle's dad and step-mother are now lurking in the background and might appear again sometime. I've had more than enough murder and gruesomeness to last me quite a while and I look forward to some light hearted episodes that reflect the Castle show I love. Now, to try to quiet my brain and sleep! |
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Post by nathanfan1 on Sept 28, 2015 23:45:43 GMT -5
Great insights, Angie! I agree with everything you've written.
I also agree with CF - that I don't particularly WANT to have to go through another reconciliation. I believed their vows and wanted to see them live them out so I'm disappointed that the sow runners chose this route.
I'm in it till the last credits roll though. I just hope this wasn't the proverbial last nail in the coffin.
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Post by CastleFanGran on Sept 29, 2015 0:28:52 GMT -5
To say that I was “gob smacked” by 8x02, XX, would be an understatement!!! I loved the fast pace, palpable suspense, and astounding plot twists!!!
I don’t believe that the CASKETT “breakup” will last long!!! I hope that it doesn’t!!!
The work of the crew, team, and actors was marvelous!!! Regular, supporting cast and guest cast were outstanding in their parts!!!
Stana and Nathan were again incredible!!! Stana had many chances and never missed an opportunity to “be” BECKETT!!! How marvelous were CASKETT building theory together when not physically together, Rick’s introduction of Captain BECKETT and Kate’s precinct speech?!!!
I think that BECKETT left, not genuinely, but to protect CASTLE and their family/loved ones—and future—IMHO!?!! Apparently, I had not grasped Kate’s dealing with her nature and demons?!!!
Is BRACKEN actually dead—I suppose so?!!! Do our detectives truly understand LOCKSAT?! With so many players dead, does it matter?! Will finding and delivering justice to the perpetrator(s) take all of Season 8?!!!
I found Rita and her advice fascinating!!! Ann CUSACK had many, excellently delivered lines, I thought!!! I was a bit taken aback by her suggestion that, if CASKETT survived this, the families should get together?!!! “Don't you see the gift you've been given? Go live your life."
Some dialog I loved, in that Kate’s/Stana’s and Rick’s/Nathan’s deliveries were impeccable:
“Worst thing I thought I was gonna be facing was working without Castle. And then you called.”
The callback: “CASTLE, shut up and kiss me.”
“Yes, and then she left me. It’s kind of a sore subject.”
“Together we can figure this out. We can figure anything out, just like always.”
“Why are you giving up on our marriage?”
“I’m trying to save it.”
“You going somewhere?”
“I’m sorry. I love you so much.”
“What are you doing?”
“I have to go. I have to get my head right. I have to figure some things out so that we can have a happily ever after.”
“Where is this coming from? Is it because of your AGT? Bracken? Why are you giving up on our marriage?”
“I’m trying to save it.”
“By leaving me?”
“Beckett, if you have a problem, we have a problem. That's how it works.”
“I love you. I always will."
L.T. is back and recovering. I am delighted!!!
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Post by java on Sept 29, 2015 0:36:03 GMT -5
6x23 part 2. They're working really hard to make sure there's not a season 9.
Okay, with my negativity and sarcasm out of the way with, let's move on. Loved seeing Martha. Still on the fence with the new girl. Why is Alexis taking instructions from her instead of from Captain Beckett? Castle's step mom? Are you kidding me? The gun flying out of the trap at the end was a bit silly. LT is back! New music is back instead of instrumentals all the time. Happy not to see the white board although I think Castle had his up with slain members of the AG office. Not happy with Beckett's wall going back up.
Love reading everyone's thoughts.
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Post by glo1196 on Sept 29, 2015 1:22:47 GMT -5
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Post by tefla on Sept 29, 2015 1:30:21 GMT -5
Was everything merely a dream?
We, the fanbase, have definitely been sucker punched.
Has anyone created a time machine?
Anyways, good episode besides the ending. Will absence make the heart grow fonder? I really hope so. However I need time to think though this shocking development.
PS: I was watching with closed captioning on again and I'm pretty sure that Vikram asked for "Katherine Beckett" with his phone call to her. (( For some reason I can't let that little detail go ))
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Post by fantasynovelreader on Sept 29, 2015 1:35:36 GMT -5
So my thoughts...I was loving this episode. I was enjoying the new character, I liked the action and the suspense. And, then...Not even a year and they have the characters going through a separation. I'm sorry but, no. Just no. I have been okay with a lot things this show has done over the years. I didn't really have any issue with 6x23. And, while a lot of the Castle disappearance was a bit contrived, I was, while not enthralled, okay with the story. But, this no. Just NO. This loses the magic for me. I'm not really sure I want to see Castle have to win her back. She left him. There is no excuse for that. None. Not when there was the safe option to let it go. This isn't the same as a lie to keep him safe. This is her choosing obsession, a very personal thus, selfish act, over her husband. No. Just no.
I was ready to be OMGing this episode. Now...I'm just a tab bit angry.
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Post by tefla on Sept 29, 2015 1:42:48 GMT -5
I guess I was out of the loop with this "Blind Item" thing. I think I stayed away from spoilers for most of the summer hiatus. Now I'm wondering if I might have seen something like this coming. I read the article (thanks for that Glo) ... but I need to calm down before processing it. What I don't understand is has the duo stopped to consider how betrayed we might be feeling right now? :: sighs :: I'll rewatch the episode tomorrow at my parents. :: goes to send PM :: |
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