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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 16:54:53 GMT -5
As far as Kate and her job... even to Castle, yes, if I felt his safety was in question and I needed to protect him, I would lie. Until it was safe to come clean. There are times you just can't share everything. Physician/patient, lawyer/client privileges, keeping a confidence. And yes, I will lie by omission to keep a confidence. Some things are just not my story to tell. If my opinion and how I do life in this arena makes me a crappy friend, family member, whatever, so be it. Truth & Lies according to CastleKat. FWIW. Fair enough and I completely understand the need for some things to be withheld due to the nature of Beckett's new job. That's why I am so hoping that "XX" will provide the plausible explanation I need for the lie. I just didn't want to get hit over the head again already with the appearance of mistrust, deceit, lying (however one wants to think of it) between Caskett. Crappy friend?? nah. never.  You bless me!  Thank you!  |
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Post by java on Sept 23, 2015 18:05:05 GMT -5
As far as Kate and her job... even to Castle, yes, if I felt his safety was in question and I needed to protect him, I would lie. Until it was safe to come clean. There are times you just can't share everything. Physician/patient, lawyer/client privileges, keeping a confidence. And yes, I will lie by omission to keep a confidence. Some things are just not my story to tell. If my opinion and how I do life in this arena makes me a crappy friend, family member, whatever, so be it. Truth & Lies according to CastleKat. FWIW. Fair enough and I completely understand the need for some things to be withheld due to the nature of Beckett's new job. That's why I am so hoping that "XX" will provide the plausible explanation I need for the lie. I just didn't want to get hit over the head again already with the appearance of mistrust, deceit, lying (however one wants to think of it) between Caskett. Crappy friend?? nah. never. Understandable to see the collective  from everyone. We've been down this road before with both Beckett and Castle and we fans thought we were done with these tiresome miscommunication, omissions, and lies justified in the name of protecting family and friends. This overused plot device needs to end and hopefully the conclusion to the premiere will dazzle us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:13:47 GMT -5
Fair enough and I completely understand the need for some things to be withheld due to the nature of Beckett's new job. That's why I am so hoping that "XX" will provide the plausible explanation I need for the lie. I just didn't want to get hit over the head again already with the appearance of mistrust, deceit, lying (however one wants to think of it) between Caskett. Crappy friend?? nah. never. Understandable to see the collective from everyone. We've been down this road before with both Beckett and Castle and we fans thought we were done with these tiresome miscommunication, omissions, and lies justified in the name of protecting family and friends. This overused plot device needs to end and hopefully the conclusion to the premiere will dazzle us. Agree, but maybe I'm just resolved that this is how she is. And, if I find my feelings are not justified by her behavior/reason in "XX", I will eat my words. That would be akin to eating raw oysters for me. But I am not going to judge her until I know what's going on. And I don't think it is above any of us to act in ways questionable to everyone else, when what we are going through makes sense to us when we have the full picture. It's not that I don't understand the collective face-palm. I do. Or, maybe I have resulted to digging my rose-colored glasses out of the first drawer of my nightstand. If that's true, it means I have happily moved on from 6 x 23 and am hoping for a grand season/new start. And am choosing not to let this episode get to me. |
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Post by CF40 on Sept 23, 2015 18:28:06 GMT -5
Understandable to see the collective from everyone. We've been down this road before with both Beckett and Castle and we fans thought we were done with these tiresome miscommunication, omissions, and lies justified in the name of protecting family and friends. This overused plot device needs to end and hopefully the conclusion to the premiere will dazzle us. Agree, but maybe I'm just resolved that this is how she is. And, if I find my feelings are not justified by her behavior/reason in "XX", I will eat my words. That would be akin to eating raw oysters for me. But I am not going to judge her until I know what's going on. And I don't think it is above any of us to act in ways questionable to everyone else, when what we are going through makes sense to us when we have the full picture. It's not that I don't understand the collective face-palm. I do. Or, maybe I have resulted to digging my rose-colored glasses out of the first drawer of my nightstand. If that's true, it means I have happily moved on from 6 x 23 and am hoping for a grand season/new start. And am choosing not to let this episode get to me. And I'll eat my words and stop being a whiney-butt (LOL) if I say "well of course she had to keep this from him" after seeing the rest of story unfold.  |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Sept 23, 2015 18:32:15 GMT -5
Understandable to see the collective from everyone. We've been down this road before with both Beckett and Castle and we fans thought we were done with these tiresome miscommunication, omissions, and lies justified in the name of protecting family and friends. This overused plot device needs to end and hopefully the conclusion to the premiere will dazzle us. Agree, but maybe I'm just resolved that this is how she is. And, if I find my feelings are not justified by her behavior/reason in "XX", I will eat my words. That would be akin to eating raw oysters for me. But I am not going to judge her until I know what's going on. And I don't think it is above any of us to act in ways questionable to everyone else, when what we are going through makes sense to us when we have the full picture. It's not that I don't understand the collective face-palm. I do. Or, maybe I have resulted to digging my rose-colored glasses out of the first drawer of my nightstand. If that's true, it means I have happily moved on from 6 x 23 and am hoping for a grand season/new start. And am choosing not to let this episode get to me. I read an interview with Alexei Hawley today where he alluded that this is an aspect of Kate Beckett's character that they intend to explore later in the season. Her obsessive need to "tilt at windmills" as Bracken put it. The compulsion that drives her to do the things she does to the unhealthy, self-destructive extent that has her lying to the very people who are most willing to have her back in order to chase demons alone in the dark. Lest we forget it was not just Castle she lied to and hid things from. It was everyone in her life. Even when it hit the fan she hadn't called for backup and her entire "plan" to keep her loved ones safe backfired spectacularly. If I read this interview right, it should be a very interesting season of character growth for Kate Beckett as she struggles with inner demons she once thought had been conquered. (secretly hoping for more Dr. Burke time) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:46:54 GMT -5
Okay, so, maybe there is more Kate to explore. And maybe this demon hasn't yet been slayed, as hard as she (and Burke, and Castle, and the guys) have tried. She's flawed. We're all flawed. Old habits die hard. When thrown into a situation that causes old tapes to be replayed in our heads, it's oftentimes hard to snap back out of the very thing that got us into trouble in the first place. Anything can be a saboteur. It doesn't have to be a person, or a circumstance. It can be a feeling, a sound. Look at the PTSD folks. And me, with food/trying to lose weight. The slightest thing can cause us to revert back. We have to be stronger than the strongest trigger. And that's heartbreakingly hard some days. And sometimes we fail. I understand about the plot device, and I'm surprised the writers even went there. But they have, and I'm intrigued. Not wanting to debate anyone. I own my feelings, and I guess maybe those of you who have met me "get me" a little more than those of you who haven't. Or, maybe not. Maybe my feelings are a surprise to you. I am about as genuine and honest as they come, and I would lay down my life for those I love. And that means lying if I had to. I'm not going to pretend I'm perfect. If I said I was above never making the same mistake again, whatever mistake that is, I would be lying. So I understand the collective face-palm. But I don't understand the feelings of thinking any of us are above, well, anything. This. Maybe I'm just being misunderstood. Maybe I"m not conveying what I'm trying to say properly. Maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than it needs to be. I am tired. Oh well. Have a great evening, everyone. Til tomorrow. |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Sept 23, 2015 21:09:41 GMT -5
One small point to ponder.
People keep saying that there are some aspects of Kate's job that Kate would have to keep to herself. On that I would normally agree, but The one small problem with that is that Kate is a POLICE CAPTAIN, not a fed with the AG task force.
Chasing down shadowy bad guys in dark alleyways is not her job. (If it ever really was) Running a precinct is. Kate isn't doing her job, she's doing somebody else's and it's brought danger to the doorstep of everyone she cares about.
When Kate eventually starts doing her ACTUAL job, I will likely agree again.
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Post by java on Sept 23, 2015 21:54:13 GMT -5
One small point to ponder. People keep saying that there are some aspects of Kate's job that Kate would have to keep to herself. On that I would normally agree, but The one small problem with that is that Kate is a POLICE CAPTAIN, not a fed with the AG task force. Chasing down shadowy bad guys in dark alleyways is not her job. (If it ever really was) Running a precinct is. Kate isn't doing her job, she's doing somebody else's and it's brought danger to the doorstep of everyone she cares about. When Kate eventually starts doing her ACTUAL job, I will likely agree again. Oh, she's fine. They did it all the time on Star Trek, sending bridge officers on away missions. |
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Post by glo1196 on Sept 25, 2015 20:17:09 GMT -5
Okay, so, maybe there is more Kate to explore. And maybe this demon hasn't yet been slayed, as hard as she (and Burke, and Castle, and the guys) have tried. She's flawed. We're all flawed. Old habits die hard. When thrown into a situation that causes old tapes to be replayed in our heads, it's oftentimes hard to snap back out of the very thing that got us into trouble in the first place. Anything can be a saboteur. It doesn't have to be a person, or a circumstance. It can be a feeling, a sound. Look at the PTSD folks. And me, with food/trying to lose weight. The slightest thing can cause us to revert back. We have to be stronger than the strongest trigger. And that's heartbreakingly hard some days. And sometimes we fail. I understand about the plot device, and I'm surprised the writers even went there. But they have, and I'm intrigued. Not wanting to debate anyone. I own my feelings, and I guess maybe those of you who have met me "get me" a little more than those of you who haven't. Or, maybe not. Maybe my feelings are a surprise to you. I am about as genuine and honest as they come, and I would lay down my life for those I love. And that means lying if I had to. I'm not going to pretend I'm perfect. If I said I was above never making the same mistake again, whatever mistake that is, I would be lying. So I understand the collective face-palm. But I don't understand the feelings of thinking any of us are above, well, anything. This. Maybe I'm just being misunderstood. Maybe I"m not conveying what I'm trying to say properly. Maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of it than it needs to be. I am tired. Oh well. Have a great evening, everyone. Til tomorrow. I love what you say here. So much better said than I did. Thank you and I so agree! |
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Thank you! 
from everyone. We've been down this road before with both Beckett and Castle and we fans thought we were done with these tiresome miscommunication, omissions, and lies justified in the name of protecting family and friends. This overused plot device needs to end and hopefully the conclusion to the premiere will dazzle us. 
