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Post by angie1379 on Mar 10, 2016 9:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by castlefan8 on Mar 10, 2016 9:41:23 GMT -5
Well, two huge thumbs up from me. |
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Post by kman on Mar 10, 2016 9:52:01 GMT -5
Thanks Angie for the Article. I am glad I had some time to read it with the morning coffee. So the wheels didn't exactly fall off the cart, they were taken off the cart.
I am wondering how Hawley and Winter got the job. Sounds like they are the Angels of Doom. How can you destroy a show in season 8 and then magically transform it back to the way it used to be in season 9? Maybe Stana just didn't want to come back but they pitched a way to phase her out? One where she had a say in how to do it? That would make the Producer thing more plausible.
She has too much class and respectability for this nonsense.
It would have made more sense to bring Kate and Rysposito into Castle Investigations. They could have traveled the world, worked with that Lamo GDS and had incredible storylines and still keep Alexis and Haley . Now that would have been a great show with lots of energy. And the Castles could have worked on a family and etc.
Well...the article is right...if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck than it probably is a duck . But if it looks like a curveball and drops like a slider...then you get canceled. I am done with this show . I have no respect for the Show Runners and the Network. See if you can pull a rabbit out your hat ABC...you took a show that should have been allowed to go out on top and now it is drowning in its own swill. I hope Hawley and Winter are happy ... They made it their show while lying and cheating us all along the way. If it was me, you would never work again.
Now I will still watch the show, but I will never look at it in the same way.
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Post by nathanfan1 on Mar 10, 2016 12:17:56 GMT -5
Interesting read, Angie. Thanks for posting it. I do have to remind myself that this is simply one person's opinion and she has no connection to the show or ABC. Having said that however, I've also seen speculation about a spinoff on other sights since Monday's episode as well.
I didn't know that McRaney was going to be recurring so that's definitely food for thought.
One thought that nags at me though, is that Nathan has mentioned wanting to do jobs of shorter duration for a change and I really wonder if he's interested in continuing as a series lead at this point. Reading between the lines this past year or so, it seemed to me that he was ready to get away from the demands of a 1 hour weekly show. Hence, the new contract with a lot more time off. But, on the other hand, he's also said that he's very thankful just to be working consistently in a business that's known for its fickleness. I do think that Toks and Molly would jump at the chance to become a part of regular series again though.
The one player I don't see in all of this is Stana. I think that all along she's been committed to staying with this character (Beckett) that she brought to life, but I just don't think her heart is in continuing with Castle, no matter how much time off she gets. I see her as a creative individual who's got many, many things she'd like to explore so I'd be shocked if we see her continuing on any level.
The bottom line for me is that my beloved Castle, with the sophisticated humor and amazing chemistry has left the station already. I think I finally came to grips with that over this winter's long hiatus. Although I'll continue to watch until the end, my memories ( and rewatching) of the show will be of earlier seasons and I'll just leave it at that. Would I watch a GDS spinoff with Nathan? I'd no doubt give it a shot because I enjoy him so much but it would clearly have to earn its stripes as a new and different show and I'd have to work at overcoming the expectation of seeing Beckett appear. I truly don't think there'll EVER be a show that will grip me like Castle did. It was MAGIC from the get-go and I kind of think of it like Camelot. For one brief, shining moment, there was an awesome show called Castle and my life is so much fuller because of it!
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Post by tycho657 on Mar 10, 2016 12:44:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this article Angie. I agree with the posts above. Our show is not Castle anymore. I was surprised with the ratings for Beckett's episodes being low ratings. They were two of the best dramatic episodes of the series.
I remember both Nathan & Stana saying that they wanted Castle to go out on top and not a slow death. Guess they both were seduced by the dark side?
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Post by angie1379 on Mar 10, 2016 21:32:46 GMT -5
I feel like Castle, working backward from the end of the story -- We have the final product, which is episode after episode of Castle working cases as a PI with help from Alexis and Haley, while Beckett oversees the boys as they work, usually, the same case. So while they are not working together, they are working parallel. Have we even seen Castle and Beckett together in the interrogation room once this season? Now, what we are trying to do is figure out why and how the show has taken on this format? Is it due to the creative desires of the producers to break up the formula and re-center the show on Castle? Or is it the result of production limitations due to the leads' contracts? And that is something I suppose we cannot know. Are they making the best of a less-than-ideal situation, or is this the creative direction they want the show to take? Like nathanfan1 said, this article is only one writer's theory, but it's a logical one. And the fact is, we currently have no reason to believe this new format is going to change any time soon. And that's really a shame, because more than half a season should be enough to determine the current plan isn't working, especially if their goal is to increase ratings and get renewed. Also, I wonder if part of the problem is how far in advance they film. Because they are often filming upwards of 5 or 6 episodes ahead of what we're seeing, it's not like they can make corrections along the way. Of course, the outcry after the first five episodes should have clued them in to begin reworking the episodes we're seeing now, and it doesn't seem like that happened. They committed to this course, and they do not seem to be deviating. The one positive aspect of the season I can't deny is that the cases have been very original. The storylines behind The Nose, Cool Boys, Tone Death, Witness for the Prosecution, and Blame Game, have all been very clever and creative. I just wish we had been able to see Castle and Beckett solving those cases, instead of everyone except Castle and Beckett. And I guess, for most of us, that's the bottom line. We miss our duo doing what we have tuned in for seven years to watch them do, and that's a touch expectation to change -- dare I say impossible. |
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Post by kman on Mar 11, 2016 1:09:24 GMT -5
I feel like Castle, working backward from the end of the story -- We have the final product, which is episode after episode of Castle working cases as a PI with help from Alexis and Haley, while Beckett oversees the boys as they work, usually, the same case. So while they are not working together, they are working parallel. Have we even seen Castle and Beckett together in the interrogation room once this season? Now, what we are trying to do is figure out why and how the show has taken on this format? Is it due to the creative desires of the producers to break up the formula and re-center the show on Castle? Or is it the result of production limitations due to the leads' contracts? And that is something I suppose we cannot know. Are they making the best of a less-than-ideal situation, or is this the creative direction they want the show to take? Like nathanfan1 said, this article is only one writer's theory, but it's a logical one. And the fact is, we currently have no reason to believe this new format is going to change any time soon. And that's really a shame, because more than half a season should be enough to determine the current plan isn't working, especially if their goal is to increase ratings and get renewed. Also, I wonder if part of the problem is how far in advance they film. Because they are often filming upwards of 5 or 6 episodes ahead of what we're seeing, it's not like they can make corrections along the way. Of course, the outcry after the first five episodes should have clued them in to begin reworking the episodes we're seeing now, and it doesn't seem like that happened. They committed to this course, and they do not seem to be deviating. The one positive aspect of the season I can't deny is that the cases have been very original. The storylines behind The Nose, Cool Boys, Tone Death, Witness for the Prosecution, and Blame Game, have all been very clever and creative. I just wish we had been able to see Castle and Beckett solving those cases, instead of everyone except Castle and Beckett. And I guess, for most of us, that's the bottom line. We miss our duo doing what we have tuned in for seven years to watch them do, and that's a touch expectation to change -- dare I say impossible. You are right Angie, this is the course the PTB have chosen and they must have had the blessings of ABC to attempt to change the central theme of the show. I fear they all agreed that a change needed to occur to shake up things to bring back the viewers, but it kinda backfired on them. But you are right , the shows have been creative, and my wife even told me that she loved last weeks GDS episode without Stana. I guess this shows how much things have changed. It's just not Castle. For use of a better term, " You can't fix Stupid". This is the new Castle, like it or not. I think the public outcry fell on deaf ears and the blinders never came off . Hawley and company got their way, and although I feel it is the wrong way, it is the road obviously they chose to follow. My gut still hurts from the first half and if Kate becomes an afterthought, I just hope they write her off in some classy way. I mean, they tore apart the Beckett character, which Stana so brilliantly evolved over the last 7 seasons. I hope the journey was worth it for Hawley and Winter... Because they're coming to the end...not the beginning, as they had hoped. We have already been warned about a cliffhanger in the finale, which I find amusing, because the question will be who returns and who leaves and do they even have a place to go in the fall. |
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