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Post by tycho657 on Mar 8, 2016 20:09:06 GMT -5
Stana was in Europe when they filmed this episode so I knew she would be missing. I had hoped they would add in a phone call or text from her. If they have Delusion of a Season 9 without Stana I think they will see the end real soon. My hope is a"final season" with 12 episodes to get closure. I noticed on Imdb that Stana is now listed after the boys? She is the number 2 if not the co-lead?
I think we will see the GDS again. I think I read that Gerald will be on a few episodes?
I did not see the Haley twist coming but I was happy to hear that Jackson was watching out for his son. I found it strange to think he would not have looked into his missing son. I liked that part of the story.
Ok I'm done rambling...
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Post by kman on Mar 9, 2016 0:04:53 GMT -5
Stana was in Europe when they filmed this episode so I knew she would be missing. I had hoped they would add in a phone call or text from her. If they have Delusion of a Season 9 without Stana I think they will see the end real soon. My hope is a"final season" with 12 episodes to get closure. I noticed on Imdb that Stana is now listed after the boys? She is the number 2 if not the co-lead? I think we will see the GDS again. I think I read that Gerald will be on a few episodes? I did not see the Haley twist coming but I was happy to hear that Jackson was watching out for his son. I found it strange to think he would not have looked into his missing son. I liked that part of the story. Ok I'm done rambling... Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards Now I know there must be a reason why she was in Europe...I don't know much about that, but in my work, a contract means that, unless there is a family or health situation, you are bound and tied to your job. This is why we and others sign contracts, so you commit to the organization to be the best you can be. In season, there should never be conflicts. You should be loyal for 22 episodes... No questions asked. They are paying these people a lot of money to perform to the best of their ability. I don't know the whole situation with this contract negotiation, so it's not fair for me to judge, but this was a huge episode and she should have been there. She must have a great agent. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is unacceptable . But like I said , I don't know enough about the situation to to be judge mental. But I see this all the time and in my profession, we demote those players who aren't all in. Again ... Sorry.. But this annoys me. |
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Post by angie1379 on Mar 9, 2016 8:55:33 GMT -5
Now I know there must be a reason why she was in Europe...I don't know much about that, but in my work, a contract means that, unless there is a family or health situation, you are bound and tied to your job. This is why we and others sign contracts, so you commit to the organization to be the best you can be. In season, there should never be conflicts. You should be loyal for 22 episodes... No questions asked. They are paying these people a lot of money to perform to the best of their ability. I don't know the whole situation with this contract negotiation, so it's not fair for me to judge, but this was a huge episode and she should have been there. She must have a great agent. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is unacceptable . But like I said , I don't know enough about the situation to to be judge mental. But I see this all the time and in my profession, we demote those players who aren't all in. Again ... Sorry.. But this annoys me. My guess is this time off was written into her contract. It might be why she was the last to sign this past spring. She needed the time away -- maybe for a relative's wedding, maybe for a delayed honeymoon, who knows -- and they had to negotiate a way to make it happen. However, that hardly means the producers had to film this particular episode without her -- or truly any episode. Why have her absent for an episode that is so central to Beckett's relationship with Castle? And while I don't know much about production schedules, I find it hard to believe her absence had to be total. Couldn't they have done a voiceover phone call, or one or two scenes with just her or her and Castle? But I suppose if they could have, they would have, right? In any case, I just hope this is the last time. |
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Post by nathanfan1 on Mar 9, 2016 9:30:35 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement, Angie. I believe Stana was attending Fashion Week in Paris and perhaps it was also a delayed honeymoon too. Don't know. I know that Nathan and his most recent girlfriend spent 5 or so days in Hawaii in early February during filming too, so I'd say it's safe to say that all of the time off was built into their new contracts. This next episode with Stana at the Police Academy will have very little Castle in it and that fits with the Hawaii trip.
It bothers me that both of them put the time off over delivering what they HAD to realize is the heart of the show. A LITTLE more time off could have been managed without such glaring absences and if they were tired of doing the show, they should have just said no to new contracts.
All of that being said though, it sure seems that they could have filmed a brief scene or done a phone call for this episode before or after Stana's trip. I'm curious to see if Nathan is totally eliminated from the next episode.
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Post by dyingtime on Mar 9, 2016 10:04:05 GMT -5
It appears that neither the stars nor the producers are really trying to make this show work. and isnt that just sad.
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Post by kman on Mar 9, 2016 11:31:46 GMT -5
Now I know there must be a reason why she was in Europe...I don't know much about that, but in my work, a contract means that, unless there is a family or health situation, you are bound and tied to your job. This is why we and others sign contracts, so you commit to the organization to be the best you can be. In season, there should never be conflicts. You should be loyal for 22 episodes... No questions asked. They are paying these people a lot of money to perform to the best of their ability. I don't know the whole situation with this contract negotiation, so it's not fair for me to judge, but this was a huge episode and she should have been there. She must have a great agent. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is unacceptable . But like I said , I don't know enough about the situation to to be judge mental. But I see this all the time and in my profession, we demote those players who aren't all in. Again ... Sorry.. But this annoys me. My guess is this time off was written into her contract. It might be why she was the last to sign this past spring. She needed the time away -- maybe for a relative's wedding, maybe for a delayed honeymoon, who knows -- and they had to negotiate a way to make it happen. However, that hardly means the producers had to film this particular episode without her -- or truly any episode. Why have her absent for an episode that is so central to Beckett's relationship with Castle? And while I don't know much about production schedules, I find it hard to believe her absence had to be total. Couldn't they have done a voiceover phone call, or one or two scenes with just her or her and Castle? But I suppose if they could have, they would have, right? In any case, I just hope this is the last time. I am with you Angie. I hope this is the last time too. There are so many ways to work around this. But the best way would have been to just be there. The writers could have waited till she got back to shoot this one. The could have shot scenes of them together before she left. They had all this time off and this was the best they could come up with? Pretty lame if you ask me. Somebody needs to put their foot down and say enough is enough. That, I would think, would be the show runners jpb. And also the producers....oh, aren't Nathan and Stana producers now? This show reminds me of Hawaii Five O now. Spin the wheel to see who gets the next episode off. This season just can't seem to get it together. And it's a shame, because the viewer gap is narrowing every week. Castle, although the demos are not good, is now right in the thick of things. I hope everyone puts their game faces on and goes after it now. Oh well, back to the real world. Thanks to all for letting me stand on my little soap box. LOLOLOL |
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Post by kman on Mar 9, 2016 11:34:03 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement, Angie. I believe Stana was attending Fashion Week in Paris and perhaps it was also a delayed honeymoon too. Don't know. I know that Nathan and his most recent girlfriend spent 5 or so days in Hawaii in early February during filming too, so I'd say it's safe to say that all of the time off was built into their new contracts. This next episode with Stana at the Police Academy will have very little Castle in it and that fits with the Hawaii trip. It bothers me that both of them put the time off over delivering what they HAD to realize is the heart of the show. A LITTLE more time off could have been managed without such glaring absences and if they were tired of doing the show, they should have just said no to new contracts. All of that being said though, it sure seems that they could have filmed a brief scene or done a phone call for this episode before or after Stana's trip. I'm curious to see if Nathan is totally eliminated from the next episode. Like I told Angie, I agree totally with what you said. I am perplexed. Especially with so much riding on these crucial episodes. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 11:42:52 GMT -5
I have mentioned before that I haven't watched any episodes since returning from winter hiatus. I am, however, following along here. I have a few comments, and I'm going to share them. FWIW.
In life, being committed to too many things means you cannot give 100% to many of them. To me, with the good thing "they" had going here with Castle, I don't understand how one could think they could have "more time off" and still bring to the show what has been the norm up until this season. The magic of Castle, is Caskett, and I would bet the majority of the viewers are not watching/have not been watching for the COTW. Without Caskett, there is no magic. Period.
Secondly, I feel that everyone at Castle surely must know how we fans value that dynamic duo as the heartbeat of the show. Did they really think "we" would be okay with this? Why mess with a good thing and give us sub-par episodes every week. Keep us hanging by a string and holding out hope that we will stay with them? To what end? I have not had a satisfying episode all of season 7, except maybe the finale, since the train wreck of 6 x 23. I didn't want Marlowe gone, just wanted him to right the ship after that and carry on with the lovely thing that they had going. I don't understand. And I don't understand how these new showrunners keep giving us this crap week after week.
So, I am going to call a spade a spade. I, in part, blame Nathan & Stana. You cannot give the 100% to Castle that you have been giving, and still produce the product in Season 8 that you have produced in the previous seven seasons. It's impossible. They had to know the show would suffer. They wanted their cake (more time off, more money, producer status), and to eat it, too. At what cost?
A lovely friend of mine here reminded me yesterday, via a most lovely phone call, that the show doesn't have to be cancelled, or "over" according to the network, for it to be "over". As far as I'm concerned, the wheels have just about fallen off. Regardless of cancellation status.
I adored this show. Its progression, or lack there of, is heartbreaking. The lack of committment by the leads is evident. If I offend by my feelings, so be it. Responsibility lies with those who make the show great, and that, in a huge part, is with our leads. Is it ABC, Marlowe, the new showrunners, too? Absolutely.
You cannot produce the magic, well, without the magic.
I have not bailed yet. But if I watch the remainder of the season...well, that remains to be seen.
My sincere wish is that they would've called it the end with the season 7 finale.
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Post by angie1379 on Mar 9, 2016 12:24:08 GMT -5
I have mentioned before that I haven't watched any episodes since returning from winter hiatus. I am, however, following along here. I have a few comments, and I'm going to share them. FWIW. In life, being committed to too many things means you cannot give 100% to many of them. To me, with the good thing "they" had going here with Castle, I don't understand how one could think they could have "more time off" and still bring to the show what has been the norm up until this season. The magic of Castle, is Caskett, and I would bet the majority of the viewers are not watching/have not been watching for the COTW. Without Caskett, there is no magic. Period. Secondly, I feel that everyone at Castle surely must know how we fans value that dynamic duo as the heartbeat of the show. Did they really think "we" would be okay with this? Why mess with a good thing and give us sub-par episodes every week. Keep us hanging by a string and holding out hope that we will stay with them? To what end? I have not had a satisfying episode all of season 7, except maybe the finale, since the train wreck of 6 x 23. I didn't want Marlowe gone, just wanted him to right the ship after that and carry on with the lovely thing that they had going. I don't understand. And I don't understand how these new showrunners keep giving us this crap week after week. So, I am going to call a spade a spade. I, in part, blame Nathan & Stana. You cannot give the 100% to Castle that you have been giving, and still produce the product in Season 8 that you have produced in the previous seven seasons. It's impossible. They had to know the show would suffer. They wanted their cake (more time off, more money, producer status), and to eat it, too. At what cost? A lovely friend of mine here reminded me yesterday, via a most lovely phone call, that the show doesn't have to be cancelled, or "over" according to the network, for it to be "over". As far as I'm concerned, the wheels have just about fallen off. Regardless of cancellation status. I adored this show. Its progression, or lack there of, is heartbreaking. The lack of committment by the leads is evident. If I offend by my feelings, so be it. Responsibility lies with those who make the show great, and that, in a huge part, is with our leads. Is it ABC, Marlowe, the new showrunners, too? Absolutely. You cannot produce the magic, well, without the magic. I have not bailed yet. But if I watch the remainder of the season...well, that remains to be seen. My sincere wish is that they would've called it the end with the season 7 finale. I can't say I disagree, but I wish I knew more than we do about what goes into contract negotiations and production schedules. I'm reluctant to believe Nathan and Stana are both so much more demanding than leads in other successful dramas. Are other stars paid more for their 12 to 14 hours a day on set? Were Nathan and Stana putting in more hours than stars on other shows? Was ABC unwilling to pay more, so N and S demanded more time off instead? Basically, what was the trade-off between expectation and compensation, also as it relates to other similar stars? All we see is the product, which shows us only that the two leads are getting much less screen time, and even less of that screen time is together. And it's obvious. I will admit I like that the formula of the show has been shaken up a bit, but even last night's cute C-plot with Ryan, Espo, and Lanie, felt more like filler than anything else. Instead of the driving force being: "How can we tell the best story possible in 42 minutes?" it's become "How can we tell this story as good as possible while only having our leads on set four days each?" I'd be interested to talk to a casual view who doesn't know all the behind the scenes stuff and see if they have noticed a difference. I can't imagine they haven't, but I wonder if they would characterize recent episodes as contrived as I have found them all season. |
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Post by tycho657 on Mar 9, 2016 13:07:25 GMT -5
I have mentioned before that I haven't watched any episodes since returning from winter hiatus. I am, however, following along here. I have a few comments, and I'm going to share them. FWIW. In life, being committed to too many things means you cannot give 100% to many of them. To me, with the good thing "they" had going here with Castle, I don't understand how one could think they could have "more time off" and still bring to the show what has been the norm up until this season. The magic of Castle, is Caskett, and I would bet the majority of the viewers are not watching/have not been watching for the COTW. Without Caskett, there is no magic. Period. Secondly, I feel that everyone at Castle surely must know how we fans value that dynamic duo as the heartbeat of the show. Did they really think "we" would be okay with this? Why mess with a good thing and give us sub-par episodes every week. Keep us hanging by a string and holding out hope that we will stay with them? To what end? I have not had a satisfying episode all of season 7, except maybe the finale, since the train wreck of 6 x 23. I didn't want Marlowe gone, just wanted him to right the ship after that and carry on with the lovely thing that they had going. I don't understand. And I don't understand how these new showrunners keep giving us this crap week after week. So, I am going to call a spade a spade. I, in part, blame Nathan & Stana. You cannot give the 100% to Castle that you have been giving, and still produce the product in Season 8 that you have produced in the previous seven seasons. It's impossible. They had to know the show would suffer. They wanted their cake (more time off, more money, producer status), and to eat it, too. At what cost? A lovely friend of mine here reminded me yesterday, via a most lovely phone call, that the show doesn't have to be cancelled, or "over" according to the network, for it to be "over". As far as I'm concerned, the wheels have just about fallen off. Regardless of cancellation status. I adored this show. Its progression, or lack there of, is heartbreaking. The lack of committment by the leads is evident. If I offend by my feelings, so be it. Responsibility lies with those who make the show great, and that, in a huge part, is with our leads. Is it ABC, Marlowe, the new showrunners, too? Absolutely. You cannot produce the magic, well, without the magic. I have not bailed yet. But if I watch the remainder of the season...well, that remains to be seen. My sincere wish is that they would've called it the end with the season 7 finale. I can't say I disagree, but I wish I knew more than we do about what goes into contract negotiations and production schedules. I'm reluctant to believe Nathan and Stana are both so much more demanding than leads in other successful dramas. Are other stars paid more for their 12 to 14 hours a day on set? Were Nathan and Stana putting in more hours than stars on other shows? Was ABC unwilling to pay more, so N and S demanded more time off instead? Basically, what was the trade-off between expectation and compensation, also as it relates to other similar stars? All we see is the product, which shows us only that the two leads are getting much less screen time, and even less of that screen time is together. And it's obvious. I will admit I like that the formula of the show has been shaken up a bit, but even last night's cute C-plot with Ryan, Espo, and Lanie, felt more like filler than anything else. Instead of the driving force being: "How can we tell the best story possible in 42 minutes?" it's become "How can we tell this story as good as possible while only having our leads on set four days each?" I'd be interested to talk to a casual view who doesn't know all the behind the scenes stuff and see if they have noticed a difference. I can't imagine they haven't, but I wonder if they would characterize recent episodes as contrived as I have found them all season. Everyone I have talked to about Castle who are casual watchers ALL noticed the changes this season. Their first comment is always"What's going on this season?" All of them watch it later now on their DVR's instead of live. So Angie, I have to say yes, viewers are noticing and they don't like what's happening. Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Mar 9, 2016 13:24:37 GMT -5
Stana was in Europe when they filmed this episode so I knew she would be missing. I had hoped they would add in a phone call or text from her. If they have Delusion of a Season 9 without Stana I think they will see the end real soon. My hope is a"final season" with 12 episodes to get closure. I noticed on Imdb that Stana is now listed after the boys? She is the number 2 if not the co-lead? I think we will see the GDS again. I think I read that Gerald will be on a few episodes? I did not see the Haley twist coming but I was happy to hear that Jackson was watching out for his son. I found it strange to think he would not have looked into his missing son. I liked that part of the story. Ok I'm done rambling... Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards I think that - since Stana was going to be absent anyway - this might have been a test balloon for the ABC exec who has since resigned for the possibility of keeping Castle on the air if they couldn't sign Stana. Just about every popular series regular seemed to be involved. (Lanie, Ryan, Esposito, Alexis) Even though said exec is now gone, I think he would have had his answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 14:12:11 GMT -5
I have mentioned before that I haven't watched any episodes since returning from winter hiatus. I am, however, following along here. I have a few comments, and I'm going to share them. FWIW. In life, being committed to too many things means you cannot give 100% to many of them. To me, with the good thing "they" had going here with Castle, I don't understand how one could think they could have "more time off" and still bring to the show what has been the norm up until this season. The magic of Castle, is Caskett, and I would bet the majority of the viewers are not watching/have not been watching for the COTW. Without Caskett, there is no magic. Period. Secondly, I feel that everyone at Castle surely must know how we fans value that dynamic duo as the heartbeat of the show. Did they really think "we" would be okay with this? Why mess with a good thing and give us sub-par episodes every week. Keep us hanging by a string and holding out hope that we will stay with them? To what end? I have not had a satisfying episode all of season 7, except maybe the finale, since the train wreck of 6 x 23. I didn't want Marlowe gone, just wanted him to right the ship after that and carry on with the lovely thing that they had going. I don't understand. And I don't understand how these new showrunners keep giving us this crap week after week. So, I am going to call a spade a spade. I, in part, blame Nathan & Stana. You cannot give the 100% to Castle that you have been giving, and still produce the product in Season 8 that you have produced in the previous seven seasons. It's impossible. They had to know the show would suffer. They wanted their cake (more time off, more money, producer status), and to eat it, too. At what cost? A lovely friend of mine here reminded me yesterday, via a most lovely phone call, that the show doesn't have to be cancelled, or "over" according to the network, for it to be "over". As far as I'm concerned, the wheels have just about fallen off. Regardless of cancellation status. I adored this show. Its progression, or lack there of, is heartbreaking. The lack of committment by the leads is evident. If I offend by my feelings, so be it. Responsibility lies with those who make the show great, and that, in a huge part, is with our leads. Is it ABC, Marlowe, the new showrunners, too? Absolutely. You cannot produce the magic, well, without the magic. I have not bailed yet. But if I watch the remainder of the season...well, that remains to be seen. My sincere wish is that they would've called it the end with the season 7 finale. I can't say I disagree, but I wish I knew more than we do about what goes into contract negotiations and production schedules. I'm reluctant to believe Nathan and Stana are both so much more demanding than leads in other successful dramas. Are other stars paid more for their 12 to 14 hours a day on set? Were Nathan and Stana putting in more hours than stars on other shows? Was ABC unwilling to pay more, so N and S demanded more time off instead? Basically, what was the trade-off between expectation and compensation, also as it relates to other similar stars? All we see is the product, which shows us only that the two leads are getting much less screen time, and even less of that screen time is together. And it's obvious. I will admit I like that the formula of the show has been shaken up a bit, but even last night's cute C-plot with Ryan, Espo, and Lanie, felt more like filler than anything else. Instead of the driving force being: "How can we tell the best story possible in 42 minutes?" it's become "How can we tell this story as good as possible while only having our leads on set four days each?" I'd be interested to talk to a casual view who doesn't know all the behind the scenes stuff and see if they have noticed a difference. I can't imagine they haven't, but I wonder if they would characterize recent episodes as contrived as I have found them all season. Yes, understand your points. From being facebook friends with me, as are some others here, you might recall in previous seasons how heartily I promoted Castle there. And how, since probably oh, last mid-season, I have stopped. That is about the time many casual fans, who are on my facebook friends list, would private message me asking me what the heck is going on with Castle. One even texted me after one of the episodes, late in Season 7, late at night, as I/many of my friends, are in Eastern Standard Time zone where Castle starts at 10:00 p.m. That put her text at approximately 11:05 p.m. Her text said, and I quote, "Castle! WHAT THE HELL?" Yep. Not one person on my facebook friends list remains a faithful, live viewer. A few were family, the others, friends - excluding those of you here who are friends with me there. Some still watch, maybe, but all but one, my cousin who still watches live, DVR's the eps. IF they watch them, who knows. A small sample, but it speaks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 14:18:48 GMT -5
Stana was in Europe when they filmed this episode so I knew she would be missing. I had hoped they would add in a phone call or text from her. If they have Delusion of a Season 9 without Stana I think they will see the end real soon. My hope is a"final season" with 12 episodes to get closure. I noticed on Imdb that Stana is now listed after the boys? She is the number 2 if not the co-lead? I think we will see the GDS again. I think I read that Gerald will be on a few episodes? I did not see the Haley twist coming but I was happy to hear that Jackson was watching out for his son. I found it strange to think he would not have looked into his missing son. I liked that part of the story. Ok I'm done rambling... Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards I think that - since Stana was going to be absent anyway - this might have been a test balloon for the ABC exec who has since resigned for the possibility of keeping Castle on the air if they couldn't sign Stana. Just about every popular series regular seemed to be involved. (Lanie, Ryan, Esposito, Alexis) Even though said exec is now gone, I think he would have had his answer. Being fully aware the name of the show is "CASTLE", not Castle & Beckett, not Caskett, to me, without her, there is no CASTLE. With that being said, I wouldn't watch. I love Nathan (and Stana), but you can't have a peanut butter & jelly without one or the other. And once I've had a PB & J, there is no going back to just a plain peanut butter sandwich. IMHO, I wouldn't even try a season of Castle without Stana. A waste of time, money and resources. A little bitter? Yep. |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Mar 9, 2016 15:28:44 GMT -5
I think that - since Stana was going to be absent anyway - this might have been a test balloon for the ABC exec who has since resigned for the possibility of keeping Castle on the air if they couldn't sign Stana. Just about every popular series regular seemed to be involved. (Lanie, Ryan, Esposito, Alexis) Even though said exec is now gone, I think he would have had his answer. Being fully aware the name of the show is "CASTLE", not Castle & Beckett, not Caskett, to me, without her, there is no CASTLE. With that being said, I wouldn't watch. I love Nathan (and Stana), but you can't have a peanut butter & jelly without one or the other. And once I've had a PB & J, there is no going back to just a plain peanut butter sandwich. IMHO, I wouldn't even try a season of Castle without Stana. A waste of time, money and resources. A little bitter? Yep. *switches to "voice of reason" mode* Even if the entire cast, including Nathan and Stana return for season 9, (and dare we hope season 10) I think it is entirely likely that there will be at least two episodes pwr season in which Stana will not appear in any direct capacity. They will likely feature either Rick doing his own thing with Alexis, or it will feature the supporting actors in some form. No matter what occurs this is something we may have to accept to keep Stana in the show. Hopefully they find a better sense of equilibrium moving forward. |
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Post by dyingtime on Mar 9, 2016 15:46:19 GMT -5
Not sure what these actors (read Stana) hope to accomplish during filming season missing randoms episodes. You can't do a movie. Is she overworked?
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