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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Feb 11, 2016 16:24:17 GMT -5
Our Castle round table team took on "Tone Death" and this time simon05 joined in. Is fake cheating okay? How did they rank Esposito's singing and how long would they like to see this fake separation go on? Check out what our team had to say and then please chime in with your own answers in the comments below. www.tvfanatic.com/2016/02/castle-round-table-is-fake-cheating-ok/ We hope you enjoy! |
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Post by geezer2008 on Feb 12, 2016 10:22:12 GMT -5
I love the round table and reading people's thoughts. After the opening scene, I was okay with everything. Sometimes, we forget that this is Rick and Kate's love story. Everything else is a sidebar. They are together and working towards their common goal AND they love each other. Do I like everything on "our" show?? HELL NO, but the bottom line, for this fan, is that they love each other and, being a romantic, I have to believe everything will work out in the end.
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Post by nathanfan1 on Feb 12, 2016 11:05:17 GMT -5
I'd like to raise a question here, about the use of the word "cheating." As I read the roundtable answers, I was struck by the fact that I wouldn't describe the cooked-up stories about dating someone else as cheating. To me, cheating would have been dating BEFORE the breakup and would have caused the breakup. That's not what was said. The way I interpret this is that, after many months of separation, BOTH of them have SUPPOSEDLY started seeing someone else. To me, that's a whole lot less offensive than actual cheating - even though it's all just a ruse. I think that's why the episode didn't bother me like it did some people.
How do others interpret this?
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Post by tycho657 on Feb 12, 2016 11:21:15 GMT -5
I'd like to raise a question here, about the use of the word "cheating." As I read the roundtable answers, I was struck by the fact that I wouldn't describe the cooked-up stories about dating someone else as cheating. To me, cheating would have been dating BEFORE the breakup and would have caused the breakup. That's not what was said. The way I interpret this is that, after many months of separation, BOTH of them have SUPPOSEDLY started seeing someone else. To me, that's a whole lot less offensive than actual cheating - even though it's all just a ruse. I think that's why the episode didn't bother me like it did some people. How do others interpret this? That is a good way to describe the situation. Since we know Rick and Kate know they are just saying these things to keep the guys off their real situation I am ok with it. I believe they know they would never step out on each other. That was never even a thought while they were apart. for the first time I actually was looking forward to watching this episode again. It's been a long time since I wanted to do that. |
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Post by castlelover66 on Feb 12, 2016 12:01:35 GMT -5
I'd like to raise a question here, about the use of the word "cheating." As I read the roundtable answers, I was struck by the fact that I wouldn't describe the cooked-up stories about dating someone else as cheating. To me, cheating would have been dating BEFORE the breakup and would have caused the breakup. That's not what was said. The way I interpret this is that, after many months of separation, BOTH of them have SUPPOSEDLY started seeing someone else. To me, that's a whole lot less offensive than actual cheating - even though it's all just a ruse. I think that's why the episode didn't bother me like it did some people. How do others interpret this? Nathanfan1, I have to agree with you. They are not cheating. They are making up stories about cheating and telling them to their friends and acting like it in public. That's lying. They are doing it, like you say, as a ruse. The episode didn't bother me like it did others, although if TPTB hadn't cooked up this silly storyline, Rick and Kate wouldn't have to be "fake" cheating on each other. |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Feb 12, 2016 12:03:15 GMT -5
I'd like to raise a question here, about the use of the word "cheating." As I read the roundtable answers, I was struck by the fact that I wouldn't describe the cooked-up stories about dating someone else as cheating. To me, cheating would have been dating BEFORE the breakup and would have caused the breakup. That's not what was said. The way I interpret this is that, after many months of separation, BOTH of them have SUPPOSEDLY started seeing someone else. To me, that's a whole lot less offensive than actual cheating - even though it's all just a ruse. I think that's why the episode didn't bother me like it did some people. How do others interpret this? For me, it felt as though Kate was blaming the separation on Castle cheating on her. And even if that's not the case, they've barely been married a year and they're dating other people. I can understand that fans are happy because they're really together in secret but I still hate this story line. |
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Post by nathanfan1 on Feb 12, 2016 12:44:01 GMT -5
PTVJ, I'm with you all the way on hating this whole stupid story line but the facts that Castle and Beckett have reunited and that BOTH of them concocted stories about fake dating, have allowed me to not take it all so seriously. I hope the boys expose their secret soon, as I hate seeing the 2 of them so torn up about the separation. Meanwhile, I guess I can enjoy the humor of the situation for a change.
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Post by marschg on Feb 12, 2016 16:21:52 GMT -5
I like the humor of it all but I am hoping they are together as a couple very soon, I would of liked it better if this is the way season 8 started, I was not happy with the separation, this I can live with....
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Feb 12, 2016 21:53:33 GMT -5
For me, it wasn't just the slap, or just the fake cheating, or just the "I hope he gets shot" line or the way Castle was systematically run into the ground and thrown under the bus with little or no reservations on Kate's part in allowing the boys to mistreat him ad nauseum. It was all of those things taken together.
It was too much. This was not slapstick, this was not even farce. It was a bunch of incidents thrown together that leave me to wonder about Kate's fitness to be Captain of an NYPD precinct since she allows (not to mention encourages) her detectives to behave in such a boorish, unprofessional manner during a murder investigation.
As somebody with a background in musical theater and Choral music (did any of you know I can perform "The Star Spangled Banner" A Capella?) I thought this case could have stood on its own without being marred a "B" plot that was about as subtle as a slap to the face.
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Post by joana on Feb 13, 2016 4:31:22 GMT -5
I also don't like the fake dates storyline but I don't agree with blaming Kate for it. Some people say how could she do it and disregard Castle's paste with cheating but it was actually him who started this storyline and made up Svetlana! Kate went along with it and made up Dr. Livingston so that Ryan wouldn't feel so bad. Now I just don't understand why Castle would need to change from "I will do anything to get her back" (even agreeing to send Alexis dressed on a very suggestive way to a colleage party :-)) to "now what I want is a hot date with a russian model". It's so unbelivable that it should only jeopardize their fake separation.
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Feb 13, 2016 11:43:40 GMT -5
I also don't like the fake dates storyline but I don't agree with blaming Kate for it. Some people say how could she do it and disregard Castle's paste with cheating but it was actually him who started this storyline and made up Svetlana! Kate went along with it and made up Dr. Livingston so that Ryan wouldn't feel so bad. Now I just don't understand why Castle would need to change from "I will do anything to get her back" (even agreeing to send Alexis dressed on a very suggestive way to a colleage party :-)) to "now what I want is a hot date with a russian model". It's so unbelivable that it should only jeopardize their fake separation. Kate is responsible not just because she set this whole thing in motion by walking out on their marriage in the first place, or because she slapped Castle in full view of anyone who might be walking by (which put the idea in their heads in the first place that Castle cheated on her) She is responsible for the comportment of the officers and detectives under her command because SHE IS THEIR CAPTAIN. She accepted that responsibility as soon as she put on that badge.Castle is a civilian and husband or not it is her job to protect him whether she's pretending to be estranged from him or not. Last time I checked, this show was a crime drama not a soap opera or telenovela. |
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Post by joana on Feb 13, 2016 12:22:06 GMT -5
I also don't like the fake dates storyline but I don't agree with blaming Kate for it. Some people say how could she do it and disregard Castle's paste with cheating but it was actually him who started this storyline and made up Svetlana! Kate went along with it and made up Dr. Livingston so that Ryan wouldn't feel so bad. Now I just don't understand why Castle would need to change from "I will do anything to get her back" (even agreeing to send Alexis dressed on a very suggestive way to a colleage party :-)) to "now what I want is a hot date with a russian model". It's so unbelivable that it should only jeopardize their fake separation. Kate is responsible not just because she set this whole thing in motion by walking out on their marriage in the first place, or because she slapped Castle in full view of anyone who might be walking by (which put the idea in their heads in the first place that Castle cheated on her) She is responsible for the comportment of the officers and detectives under her command because SHE IS THEIR CAPTAIN. She accepted that responsibility as soon as she put on that badge.Castle is a civilian and husband or not it is her job to protect him whether she's pretending to be estranged from him or not. Last time I checked, this show was a crime drama not a soap opera or telenovela. I agree that she is responsible for the fake separation, I just don't agree that she's responsible for the fake dates. But her unprofessionalism is another thing that is so out of character this season. How can someone who was so conscious with personal displays of affection in the precinct is now willing to have fights and personal displays of aggression in front of her co-workers. And being a Captain now! |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Feb 14, 2016 3:03:59 GMT -5
Kate is responsible not just because she set this whole thing in motion by walking out on their marriage in the first place, or because she slapped Castle in full view of anyone who might be walking by (which put the idea in their heads in the first place that Castle cheated on her) She is responsible for the comportment of the officers and detectives under her command because SHE IS THEIR CAPTAIN. She accepted that responsibility as soon as she put on that badge.Castle is a civilian and husband or not it is her job to protect him whether she's pretending to be estranged from him or not. Last time I checked, this show was a crime drama not a soap opera or telenovela. I agree that she is responsible for the fake separation, I just don't agree that she's responsible for the fake dates. But her unprofessionalism is another thing that is so out of character this season. How can someone who was so conscious with personal displays of affection in the precinct is now willing to have fights and personal displays of aggression in front of her co-workers. And being a Captain now! Well, since the slap lead directly to the boys assuming Castle cheated on Kate, which lead directly to them confronting Castle about it, then yes, Kate was responsible, since it was her actions that directly set it in motion. Did she intend for that to happen? No. Was she responsible? Yes. |
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