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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 29, 2015 4:45:43 GMT -5
Why is such a large segment of the fandom hung up on the idea of Kate getting pregnant?
I'm not trying to pick a fight with the fandom, I just honestly don't understand it. (and I've written little Caskett babies into more than one of my fan fiction stories, so that's saying something)
The majority of the people I have seen advocating strongly for a KB pregnancy also seem to be the loudest critics of Rick and Kate not solving crimes together as was the case for much of season 7 and again for most of season 8. Kate getting pregnant would actually make them solving crimes together LESS likely not more. Especially after said baby is born.
A pregnancy would not solve anything right now.
The situation with the the way the show is going is complicated enough and a pregnancy will not put a band-aid on it. Kate is not in a place where she would want to be pregnant, given the LockSat investigation looming, and the issues between herself and Castle to be worked out. It is the one decision the show-runners have made that can fully endorse and agree with.
Thoughts?
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Post by joana on Nov 29, 2015 6:24:09 GMT -5
I think it might be a case of wishing something without thinking of the consequences  . Of course it would be wonderful to see Kate pregnant and to see a Caskett baby, but I also think that it would be very difficult to incorporate that in the show right now and probably wouldn't do any good to it. But I hope though that they don't leave the baby for the last episode of the show. It would be nice if they could take this show forward (for more seasons) and get to a "dynamic" where a baby would fit. But first I think they also need to address and solve all trust issues so that a baby comes in the right time. I'm also curious to hear other opinions about this. |
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Post by tycho657 on Nov 29, 2015 8:18:50 GMT -5
It's probably more in theory than reality that the fandom wants to see a baby. It would work as a series final. They could have a tv movie in a few years and show the 3 kiddos and Senator Beckett. I think this is where Milmar wanted it to go. When I asked them at the panel about the time travelers premonition Terri said "well they heard what he said so now how will we know if it's just because they heard that or is the future" ?
Yes it would never work unless they did a time jump, like Bones has done, and make the kiddos old enough to not have a parent with them all day. With Beckett wanting to chase Dragons it would be to easy to use kiddos against her. Yeah, I don't think we will see any kiddos anytime soon.
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 29, 2015 13:11:38 GMT -5
It's probably more in theory than reality that the fandom wants to see a baby. It would work as a series final. They could have a tv movie in a few years and show the 3 kiddos and Senator Beckett. I think this is where Milmar wanted it to go. When I asked them at the panel about the time travelers premonition Terri said "well they heard what he said so now how will we know if it's just because they heard that or is the future" ? Yes it would never work unless they did a time jump, like Bones has done, and make the kiddos old enough to not have a parent with them all day. With Beckett wanting to chase Dragons it would be to easy to use kiddos against her. Yeah, I don't think we will see any kiddos anytime soon. Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards The thing is I really don't think Castle should necessarily do something Bones has done. One of the reasons I avoided watching Castle for so long (i started watching mid season 4) was that I thought it was a "Bones clone" Hawley and Winter are messing with the fandom enough and too many of us are transplanted Bones fans who would notice if the show went that way. Meredith is case in point for how a baby doesn't solve relationship problems, it merely defers them complicates them and creates new ones. |
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Post by castle1174 on Nov 29, 2015 14:51:42 GMT -5
Introducing a baby into the show is opening a can of worms. Many of the fans want a baby but what then. I personally think it would change the whole dynamites of the show and not for the better. Certainly there would be complaints that the baby is not in enough episodes or that an entire or the majority of an episode be devoted to the family etc. Sometimes it's best to leave sleeping dogs
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Post by larryholmes on Nov 29, 2015 15:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 29, 2015 15:59:51 GMT -5
Yes, that is the one I was referring to. SO far the only sensible decision Hawley and Winters seem to have made so far this season. |
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 29, 2015 16:12:42 GMT -5
What I'm really hoping to understand isn't so much why the showrunners aren't going there but why so many people in the fandom seem to think Kate ending up pregnant will somehow be the magic wand cure-all that will end Kate's obsessive behavior and fix all of Castle and Beckett's current relationship problems.
Castle's relationship with Meredith should be a cautionary tale where that is concerned. Motherhood did not change who Meredith was, and it certainly would not change who Kate is either. It would just be a cop out to walk away from a plot line, that although not what we wanted, needs to be resolved in a more concise manner than the 6x23 debacle was or we will just be sucked back into it again later the NEXT time they want to "shake things up".
They have a long enough row to hoe to bring the audience back into the fold as it is.
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Post by ddcnj on Nov 29, 2015 17:18:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to see them write in a baby just for a new story line. From that interview it doesn't look like they're planning to do that. My guess is they'll only go there if real life forces the issue.
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Post by angie1379 on Nov 29, 2015 17:34:24 GMT -5
As a society, we are still deeply enculturated be believe that a driving primary function of every relationship needs to be procreation. We still believe it is the inevitible conclusion of every "happily ever after," and so now that Castle abd Beckett are together and married, the next inevitible step is a baby, regardless of any impracticalities involved, i.e., their ages, jobs, lifestyle, or preferences.
Honestly, I find it highly unrealistic that they would ever have children at this point, and I would welcome some example or discussion in which it is pointed out that having children is not the be all and end all of a happy and satisfying life. Yes, it is amazing to be a parent, but I find it really sad that so many fans seem to harbor some belief that Kate's life would never truly be full and complete if she doesn't have a child of her own.
So if the show never follows up on a baby plot, I would be just fine. I think Castle and Beckett can have a wonderful, fulfilling life together without a baby, and it would be nice to have an example that bucks that standard expectation.
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Post by kman on Nov 30, 2015 8:14:08 GMT -5
Based on Kate's irrational behavior and Castle's reluctance to take her back, a baby would only make things more difficult than they already are. It's sad that we even have to approach things this way, but TPTB exposed the dark side of Kate, that we thought was cured in therapy, and Castle knows how she doesn't share and how she enjoys being broken and I am sure in the back of his mind, he is very cautious about this reconciliation. With the lies and walls and lets not forget how Vikraam seems to control her, who's to say that Vikram suggested to Kate that now that the cat is out of the bag and Rick has put 2 and 2 together, she has to go home to keep him out of the investigation as much as possible. Imagine how a baby would complicate things. And what if when this is all over, she does it again? And just leaves Rick with a toddler? Shades of Meredith. Not t to mention the effect it may have on Kate. She is unstable enough as it is.
I will tell you that the last scene when she came through the door all smiles and cheerful, like everything was fine again, and then the way she deflected his concerns and let him know that he needed to help her get through this....well she looked to me like she was playing him. And love is blind to Rick and to her, it almost appears like it is a bargaining chip to get what she wants.
I hope this all works out, but oh God, not a baby, not now, maybe never. How sad that we even have to go there. Two years ago, I would have yes. But I just do not trust the Beckett character anymore. She is too much like Rita for me. She might as well be Mrs. Smith.
And we still haven't tackled the 2 months issue with Rick. As it unfolds, in the time they have left, it may all be the same case. Who knows? Oh Baby, what a mess. I am sure the second third of this trilogy will change things. It must be true, I read it on the internet.
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Post by castlelover66 on Nov 30, 2015 8:33:15 GMT -5
While I love the idea of a baby for these two, I don't think it's the right time. It may never be. Kate is in such an unhealthy place right now emotionally. She needs to figure this LockSat thing out and then get her act together and be the wife to Castle that she promised she'd be. If there's no baby for these two, I'm good with that.
Angie, you mentioned wanting an example of someone with a happy life who didn't have kids. My youngest sister is physically unable to have children. Although she went through a period of sadness and grieving the loss of that, she is now in a healthy place. She is starting her own business. She and her husband enjoy their life together traveling, working, and making mead. Her life is fulfilled without a child.
I think a baby would be a bad idea at this stage for these two. It may always be a bad idea. Who knows?
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Post by tycho657 on Nov 30, 2015 9:12:47 GMT -5
The only thing that might force this change is of Stana gets pregnant. She did just get married this year. If she wants children she will need to do that soon.
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Post by kman on Nov 30, 2015 9:35:43 GMT -5
The only thing that might force this change is of Stana gets pregnant. She did just get married this year. If she wants children she will need to do that soon. Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards I thought the same thing. I wonder how the Show Runners would approach this. |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Nov 30, 2015 14:31:14 GMT -5
I’m obviously in the minority but I think watching Castle and Beckett navigate having a child would be fun. First because this couple has gotten to experience so little joy. It feels like everything in their lives, from their first kiss, to their I Love Yous to their wedding, has been filled with angst. I’d love to see their joy and excitement at the news of having a child.
I think Castle would be very cute/funny trying to manage a pregnant Beckett at work. I don’t think it would limit her much more than being a Captain already does. And how much fun could Castle be trying to get Kate to the hospital on time.
I also think that managing a baby could really be entertaining. The entire family could be involved with Martha, Alexis and even Jim Beckett doing baby sitting duty. I don’t think a baby needs to be the focal point. The hand offs and loft scenes would simply be at the beginning and end of each episode.
Personally, I think that a Caskett baby could bring some much needed joy and some fun complications to a show that seems to be having trouble finding a way to make a stable relationship entertaining.
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. Of course it would be wonderful to see Kate pregnant and to see a Caskett baby, but I also think that it would be very difficult to incorporate that in the show right now and probably wouldn't do any good to it.
