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Post by 1Lincoln40 on Oct 26, 2015 16:29:51 GMT -5
Hi everyone
As those of us still struggling to watch Castle appear to be the ones who know the characters (at least who they used to be) and a read of some of the fan fiction shows fans who seem able to write these characters better than the writers paid to entertain us, how would you resolve this mess that is the break up of the personal relationship between Rick & Kate?
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Post by 1Lincoln40 on Oct 26, 2015 16:58:31 GMT -5
I have yet to see S8 beyond the scenes posted on youtube but for me, Rick to get shot. It would make Kate realise that if she had been with him, she would have been able to protect him.
Or she reaches a point where she realises that Rick's disappearance is connected to her investigation.
Both situations would lead to Kate asking to talk to Rick. She would wait for him to let her into the loft rather than use her key and would then explain why she had left him. I want Rick to then say to her that it's his life, she did not get to decide. When Kate says again that she left him to protect him because she loves him, Rick would say that it was just words. There would be enough of a pause for Kate to think that it's over until Rick tells her to show him how much she loves him and we would get another STFD scene. Whether they make it to the bedroom it would be implied that they are covered only with a sheet. Kate thinking that Rick is still asleep would tell Rick what she wouldn't admit. What his books meant to her, when she knew that she had fallen in love with him, how much he frightened her. Rick would startle her by letting her know that he was awake and he would then tell her why his marriages failed and what Kate means to him. Kate would then tell him that it was just words and that he needs to show her how much he loves her which he would happily do.
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Post by java on Oct 27, 2015 0:26:17 GMT -5
I want to see Rick go into Beckett's office, close the door, close the blinds. then chew her out before telling her, "Grab your coat. We're going home, kitten." Then Rick opens the door to a 12th full of people standing and gawking, he frowns, they disperse in a comical fashion.
Too sudden without any buildup? Yeah, well, so was the blue-screen wedding.
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Post by motowncf on Oct 27, 2015 19:53:33 GMT -5
.... I want Rick to then say to her that it's his life, she did not get to decide.....
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Post by angie1379 on Oct 28, 2015 9:21:01 GMT -5
I would honestly like to see Kate somewhat vindicated. I want to see that her sacrifice was warranted and that she was indeed right to make this drastic decision. I don't want to see it all be for naught, and Kate left with egg on her face, begging for forgiveness. I adore Kate, and I hate that she has been portrayed in such a regressive way and that she has broken Castle's trust.
So whatever happens, I want Kate to have some justification for leaving her marriage and for going at this alone. I'm not sure what that might mean in terms of the storyline, but at the end of the day, I don't want this to all be a big dramatic gimmick that had no actual purpose. As far as I'm concerned, she damn well had better have been right to leave him and that her decision indeed saves him/them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 9:32:31 GMT -5
Completely agree, Angie! I think the reason I've been so upset with this, not to mention messing with her character in 6 x 23, is because of what they are making of Kate. I understand the wall, her issues, but really? I never expected this of her, although it is in her character to go to every length to find justice and vindicate a wrong against those she adores.
I sure hope the pay-off is going to do this turmoil justice. I'm holding out hope. Barely, but it's there.
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Post by castlecrazee on Oct 28, 2015 9:50:23 GMT -5
I want Rick to be angry again when he finds out. He did nothing Also I can't believe that Alexis is not upset with Kate for hurting her father. That's not sitting well with me either. Since 6x23 Kate's character has been written unevenly. I get her need for justice, just not at the expense of her family. Sorry for the ramble.
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 28, 2015 23:28:59 GMT -5
I would honestly like to see Kate somewhat vindicated. I want to see that her sacrifice was warranted and that she was indeed right to make this drastic decision. I don't want to see it all be for naught, and Kate left with egg on her face, begging for forgiveness. I adore Kate, and I hate that she has been portrayed in such a regressive way and that she has broken Castle's trust. So whatever happens, I want Kate to have some justification for leaving her marriage and for going at this alone. I'm not sure what that might mean in terms of the storyline, but at the end of the day, I don't want this to all be a big dramatic gimmick that had no actual purpose. As far as I'm concerned, she damn well had better have been right to leave him and that her decision indeed saves him/them. You know, if the writers had written it in such a way that showed that Castle was in actual imminent danger if Kate didn't leave, perhaps this storyline would be more tolerable. I still don't think I'd like it but at least it wouldn't make Kate Beckett seem like she's either illogical or heartless. The way it is now is so frustrating to watch that I'm not sure how they fix it. |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 28, 2015 23:32:06 GMT -5
I want Rick to be angry again when he finds out. He did nothing Also I can't believe that Alexis is not upset with Kate for hurting her father. That's not sitting well with me either. Since 6x23 Kate's character has been written unevenly. I get her need for justice, just not at the expense of her family. Sorry for the ramble. Exactly! She was angry with Beckett for pretty much all of seasons 4 and 5. How is she not furious that Beckett just walked out on her father with only some vague explanation to keep him hanging on to the hope that she'll come back? |
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Post by angie1379 on Oct 29, 2015 11:03:59 GMT -5
I want Rick to be angry again when he finds out. He did nothing Also I can't believe that Alexis is not upset with Kate for hurting her father. That's not sitting well with me either. Since 6x23 Kate's character has been written unevenly. I get her need for justice, just not at the expense of her family. Sorry for the ramble. Exactly! She was angry with Beckett for pretty much all of seasons 4 and 5. How is she not furious that Beckett just walked out on her father with only some vague explanation to keep him hanging on to the hope that she'll come back? This, I actually get. Honestly, it's not Alexis' place to express her anger. Yes, she is entitled to her feelings, and we can guess what they might be, but this is an issue between a married couple, and Alexis has no business either confronting Kate or telling Castle what she thinks of his wife right now. Martha approached Kate from a position of concern, which is a right that her age and position affords her. But I think after seven years, Alexis has accepted that her father's relationship with Kate is his business, and if his heart can take it, then it's not her place to take sides or act as Castle's protector. She also likes, admires, and respects Kate, and is probably holding out hope that she wasn't wrong in those feelings. And she is apparently more mature than she was at 17 when she felt like Kate was stringing her father along. She recognizes that their relationship is tough, complex, and all-consuming, and she knows Rick is never just going to walk away. In short, it's for them to work out, and am grateful we don't have a return of "know-it-all" Alexis reading her father the riot act over his love life. Maybe she is growing up a bit. :-) |
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Post by angie1379 on Oct 29, 2015 11:07:32 GMT -5
I would honestly like to see Kate somewhat vindicated. I want to see that her sacrifice was warranted and that she was indeed right to make this drastic decision. I don't want to see it all be for naught, and Kate left with egg on her face, begging for forgiveness. I adore Kate, and I hate that she has been portrayed in such a regressive way and that she has broken Castle's trust. So whatever happens, I want Kate to have some justification for leaving her marriage and for going at this alone. I'm not sure what that might mean in terms of the storyline, but at the end of the day, I don't want this to all be a big dramatic gimmick that had no actual purpose. As far as I'm concerned, she damn well had better have been right to leave him and that her decision indeed saves him/them. You know, if the writers had written it in such a way that showed that Castle was in actual imminent danger if Kate didn't leave, perhaps this storyline would be more tolerable. I still don't think I'd like it but at least it wouldn't make Kate Beckett seem like she's either illogical or heartless. The way it is now is so frustrating to watch that I'm not sure how they fix it. That's so true. It would have been nice if the set up had included a credible threat to begin with. But at this point, I'd just like to see something come back around to Castle in a way that makes Kate's decision appear more justified and understandable. I think we all just want to see this be salvaged in some authentic, plausible way. |
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Post by 1Lincoln40 on Oct 31, 2015 19:17:01 GMT -5
I like that some fans are willing to see Marlow back writing, they are that disenchanted with this season so far.
I also like that some fans would even accept that Dallas fix.
I tried to accept the end of S6 by coming up with that bloke that Kate was 'married to' come find her to let her know that they were never married. That he was paid to get her to believe she would not be able to marry Rick. However when he saw what they did to stop her wedding he realised how dangerous they really were. Before he can give her the full story, he's killed.
On another site someone said how about a time jump IF the series comes back in February. I thought how about a repeat of the opening of Cuffed. Kate waking up with that smile on her face but instead of that shocked look that followed, she would roll on top of Rick and wake him with a kiss on the lips that we could actually see. Rick would wrap his arms around her as he breathes her in. When he opens his eyes, Kate would once again apologise for what she put them through but Rick would again dismiss it. Kate would then wonder what she did right to have him in her life and Rick would joke the cute way he does to make her smile before he got frisky.
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 2, 2015 5:21:18 GMT -5
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Post by 1Lincoln40 on Nov 2, 2015 17:29:16 GMT -5
Shutterbug thanks for the link. Liked it! Went in 'blind' because I've yet to see S8 apart from the scenes that have been posted on the tube. But everything made sense and that's what I don't get. How is it that fans can write a story that engages you, has you knowing the characters you are reading because you can hear the actors, see them in your minds eye and yet writers paid to give us these characters, don't seem able to understand what makes these characters work.
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Nov 4, 2015 18:00:05 GMT -5
You know, if the writers had written it in such a way that showed that Castle was in actual imminent danger if Kate didn't leave, perhaps this storyline would be more tolerable. I still don't think I'd like it but at least it wouldn't make Kate Beckett seem like she's either illogical or heartless. The way it is now is so frustrating to watch that I'm not sure how they fix it. That's so true. It would have been nice if the set up had included a credible threat to begin with. But at this point, I'd just like to see something come back around to Castle in a way that makes Kate's decision appear more justified and understandable. I think we all just want to see this be salvaged in some authentic, plausible way. I think regardless of how this turns out, whether Kate is somehow vindicated or if she isn't (which is a lot more likely given the way this has been set up) I don't foresee a scenario where Castle should not be upset or angry with Kate that she did not trust him with what was really going on. Especially after PROMISING HIM that there would be no more secrets or lies, then breaking BOTH tenets of that promise only a few hours later. Kate, Alexis and Lanie have all thrown his disappearance in his face and (with at least Lanie implying he ran off to Thailand on their wedding day on purpose) to justify what Kate is doing now. AS IF HE HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. Which even Kate acknowledges he hadn't. If Kate truly believed she was doing the right thing, she would not have told him that she hoped he would forgive her and be willing to take her back. Asking for forgiveness kinda implies she knows she is doing something she would need to be forgiven for and that she also KNOWS the onus would be on her to set right what she has torn asunder. It should not be on Rick to fix this, or somehow just accept it without at least some rancor on his part. I'm not saying that he should not forgive her, or take her back, only that he should not be the one doing the heavy lifting to fix things when this is over. |
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