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Post by java on Oct 21, 2015 10:48:01 GMT -5
Because these...  ... won't fit in this.  She's not going anywhere for long. |
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Post by castlelover66 on Oct 21, 2015 11:22:10 GMT -5
Java, great minds think alike. I had this exact same thought on Monday night. She said she wanted to pick up "the rest of her stuff." The rest of her wardrobe, mostly the coats, would not fit into that bag. Spot on observation, sir!
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 21, 2015 11:39:47 GMT -5
Yes, but that is assuming the writers care about making any of this convoluted story arc make sense and I don't think they do.
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Post by castle88 on Oct 21, 2015 14:20:39 GMT -5
Yes, but that is assuming the writers care about making any of this convoluted story arc make sense and I don't think they do. I am not a fan of the arc. I haven't even watched the nose yet. These are seasoned professionals, however, who want their jobs to continue. I think they very much want it to make sense and believe it makes sense. It seems a tad unfair to question that just because we disagree with the direction. |
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Post by java on Oct 22, 2015 22:43:01 GMT -5
Java, great minds think alike. I had this exact same thought on Monday night. She said she wanted to pick up "the rest of her stuff." The rest of her wardrobe, mostly the coats, would not fit into that bag. Spot on observation, sir! Yep! I do admit thinking "how cute" when I saw that tiny NYPD t-shirt she left behind. But unlike her coats, at least Rick can use the tee for a pillow case and still smell his wife. I know I need therapy. |
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Post by castlefan8 on Oct 23, 2015 18:38:58 GMT -5
What boggles my mind, and keeps me from watching these days, is that we got more of a reaction from Castle during S4 angst than we are now. One would think that someone very happily married one morning and then suddenly not would be having a more severe reaction then "silly" Rick. Not even mentioning the fact that he once could read her better than anyone, and wanting to find the story being his main motivation since Season 1, episode 1. Doesnt make any sense and is totally frustrating to this viewer.
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Post by java on Oct 24, 2015 8:42:19 GMT -5
What boggles my mind, and keeps me from watching these days, is that we got more of a reaction from Castle during S4 angst than we are now. One would think that someone very happily married one morning and then suddenly not would be having a more severe reaction then "silly" Rick. Not even mentioning the fact that he once could read her better than anyone, and wanting to find the story being his main motivation since Season 1, episode 1. Doesn't make any sense and is totally frustrating to this viewer. I'm not condoning the separation arc and I do believe it's one more nail in the cancellation coffin but I like to mention one perspective which I do believe puts Rick in a better light. In season 4, they were not married. Heck, they were not even a couple. Understandable that Rick argues about Kate throwing her life away and him not wanting to be around when it happens. Now, when Kate asks to leave, Rick is much more patient because that's his wife. She's not leaving him for another man or having an affair like Meredith. We don't have much info on Gina other than a loveless marriage. As for the other women in his life like his mother and daughter, Rick has been a bedrock regardless of what happens so I'm guessing he's the same way with all his wives and especially Kate. Is it weakness or strength? I personally would have been furious but that's me. I've seen men moving on and I've seen others with the patience of a saint. For Rick to take it with nothing more than, "we've seen this before", I'm okay with his reaction. Not so much with the arc. Pffft... |
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Post by castlefan8 on Oct 24, 2015 20:33:55 GMT -5
What boggles my mind, and keeps me from watching these days, is that we got more of a reaction from Castle during S4 angst than we are now. One would think that someone very happily married one morning and then suddenly not would be having a more severe reaction then "silly" Rick. Not even mentioning the fact that he once could read her better than anyone, and wanting to find the story being his main motivation since Season 1, episode 1. Doesn't make any sense and is totally frustrating to this viewer. I'm not condoning the separation arc and I do believe it's one more nail in the cancellation coffin but I like to mention one perspective which I do believe puts Rick in a better light. In season 4, they were not married. Heck, they were not even a couple. Understandable that Rick argues about Kate throwing her life away and him not wanting to be around when it happens. Now, when Kate asks to leave, Rick is much more patient because that's his wife. She's not leaving him for another man or having an affair like Meredith. We don't have much info on Gina other than a loveless marriage. As for the other women in his life like his mother and daughter, Rick has been a bedrock regardless of what happens so I'm guessing he's the same way with all his wives and especially Kate. Is it weakness or strength? I personally would have been furious but that's me. I've seen men moving on and I've seen others with the patience of a saint. For Rick to take it with nothing more than, "we've seen this before", I'm okay with his reaction. Not so much with the arc. Pffft... I was talking more about his reaction in the '47 Seconds' arc. He was furious she lied (sinning by silence) and yes, they werent even a couple! He should be more furious now after vows and promises to stand together after going thru all that. Makes me crazy. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 5:59:13 GMT -5
I saw XY Saturday night. Net5 in the Netherlands has started earlier with Season 8 than I expected. Well, there was nothing wrong with XY. It was typical Castle. Well, it was a surprising dark start. But how often they did that in the past? Dark ends and dark beginnings? Well the spiders were not funny to start with in a new season, but so much was not funny over the last 7 years. It's not a typical family show. All the murders and the murderers with all the shown details.
I really enjoyed XY.
Why the anger against the writers and producers? It's teamwork. Fillion and Stanic are co-producers. Well. They must have known where they signed for.
Rick and Kate are always in trouble. Married or not. If you want to stop that, it will be the end of the series.
I had to think of Watershed, the end of Season 5. I saw it today again to check it.
The same things Marta and the father of Becket said about her are still true for her in Season 8. She's not a regular housewife! Rick has to know that. He cannot keep her in a box. And Rick got signs and explanations enough to realize that she was not gone because of him.
Now William Bracken told Rick exactly how Beckett is. She has to go where she feels she has to go. That is what she is.
I think a lot of fans want to see what they want for their own imaginary Castle world. What's the fun of that? Getting what you want makes you lazy and sloppy and in the end unhappy.
Real happiness stems from accepting the world as it is. It's useless to fight against life itself for then you lose yourself..
I recommend watching Castle without expectations and then it will be new….. each episode.
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Post by arky on Oct 25, 2015 7:21:19 GMT -5
The Castle fan base is NOT your "normal" everyday fan base. You've only to check out the thousands of fan-fics and youtube videos to understand the depth of total investment and steadfast commitment poured into Castle. This show and it's story is absolutely and deeply personal to these Castle fans. While just about all Castle fans are willing to accept the twist,turns and variables of one of if not the most shipped relationship in television history. They are not willing to accept the inane or insane writing and story telling we've been subjected to since and especially including 6x23. Unless you've been a part of a Castle community/forum since 2009(I'm in or have been associated with 5)and rode the highs and lows with like minded fans,it's really hard to understand the right to question writing,story telling or direction.Just know that the right has been earned by literally daily trial by fire dedication from this fan base. Expectation is the corner stone of the Castle fandom. jmho  |
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Post by castle88 on Oct 25, 2015 8:16:31 GMT -5
People seem focused on the idea that Kate has lied. She has not lied. She has told him that it is not him, that she still loves him, and that she will be back if he is still there. This is all true. She has not told him why.
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Post by java on Oct 25, 2015 9:08:07 GMT -5
I'm not condoning the separation arc and I do believe it's one more nail in the cancellation coffin but I like to mention one perspective which I do believe puts Rick in a better light. In season 4, they were not married. Heck, they were not even a couple. Understandable that Rick argues about Kate throwing her life away and him not wanting to be around when it happens. Now, when Kate asks to leave, Rick is much more patient because that's his wife. She's not leaving him for another man or having an affair like Meredith. We don't have much info on Gina other than a loveless marriage. As for the other women in his life like his mother and daughter, Rick has been a bedrock regardless of what happens so I'm guessing he's the same way with all his wives and especially Kate. Is it weakness or strength? I personally would have been furious but that's me. I've seen men moving on and I've seen others with the patience of a saint. For Rick to take it with nothing more than, "we've seen this before", I'm okay with his reaction. Not so much with the arc. Pffft... I was talking more about his reaction in the '47 Seconds' arc. He was furious she lied (sinning by silence) and yes, they weren't even a couple! He should be more furious now after vows and promises to stand together after going thru all that. Makes me crazy. Lol I'm sure Rick asked her if she remembered anything in 4x01 and she said no. 18 episodes later, hearing Kate in the interrogation room say she remembered everything from her assassination attempt, probably stung quite a bit since he did confess his love for her. Add to that sting feelings of being strung along when he could have moved on with his life. Probably more so with "Cuffed" in the middle of those two episodes. |
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Post by java on Oct 25, 2015 9:49:08 GMT -5
I saw XY Saturday night. Net5 in the Netherlands has started earlier with Season 8 than I expected. Well, there was nothing wrong with XY. It was typical Castle. Well, it was a surprising dark start. But how often they did that in the past? Dark ends and dark beginnings? Well the spiders were not funny to start with in a new season, but so much was not funny over the last 7 years. It's not a typical family show. All the murders and the murderers with all the shown details. I really enjoyed XY. Why the anger against the writers and producers? It's teamwork. Fillion and Stanic are co-producers. Well. They must have known where they signed for. Rick and Kate are always in trouble. Married or not. If you want to stop that, it will be the end of the series. I had to think of Watershed, the end of Season 5. I saw it today again to check it. The same things Marta and the father of Becket said about her are still true for her in Season 8. She's not a regular housewife! Rick has to know that. He cannot keep her in a box. And Rick got signs and explanations enough to realize that she was not gone because of him. Now William Bracken told Rick exactly how Beckett is. She has to go where she feels she has to go. That is what she is. I think a lot of fans want to see what they want for their own imaginary Castle world. What's the fun of that? Getting what you want makes you lazy and sloppy and in the end unhappy. Real happiness stems from accepting the world as it is. It's useless to fight against life itself for then you lose yourself.. I recommend watching Castle without expectations and then it will be new….. each episode. We're all going to disagree about the direction of the show, the lighting, the amount of graphic violence, Caskett, or the amount of time we see Alexis. But, we've gotten used to the show pulling our  so we come back season after season until one day when there's been too many inconsistency, when the shark's been jumped one too many times, when the story no longer resembles what I've been following, when the storytelling no longer makes sense, that's the day we have to decide whether Castle is entertaining enough to follow or we go entertain ourselves elsewhere. I'm neither lazy nor sloppy. For example, I workout every other day, keeping detailed notes. I'm very aware of my diet. My clothes are clean and neatly pressed or steamed. I may look disheveled at times but that's by choice and manufactured by me. And I do all of this because I get what I want. I'm the healthiest I've ever been at age 43. I have the functional health to do the things I have to do and the things I want to do. I radiate authority and I get noticed by both men and women in public. I'm constantly complimented on appearance and I'm told by folks that they wish they had my discipline. And there's the rub. You take a viewer like me looking for entertainment and you deliver a quality product and I will rave about you forever (eg "Breaking Bad"). You give me a poor product and I will warn others (eg "The Last Witch Hunter" ~ AVOID). Castle? In serious trouble and declining. XX and XY were fantastic until the XX ending. Why? Leverage. I explained it elsewhere but I'll leave you to draw your own conclusion after you've seen it. I don't accept the world as it is. I will always roar against the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. As the years add lines to my eyes, I've managed to learn to pick my battles along the way. Not everyone who picks up the stone loses themselves. Why am I here on this board? Because I enjoy talking about it with other diehard fans and making friends along the way (*cough* castlekat, ProudTVJunkie *cough*). |
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Post by java on Oct 25, 2015 9:52:37 GMT -5
People seem focused on the idea that Kate has lied. She has not lied. She has told him that it is not him, that she still loves him, and that she will be back if he is still there. This is all true. She has not told him why. Very true. Seems a bit odd that Rick isn't following or having her followed around. Maybe we'll learn more and get to see any covert operation he or his daughter is running on her behalf to keep her safe? |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 25, 2015 10:12:23 GMT -5
People seem focused on the idea that Kate has lied. She has not lied. She has told him that it is not him, that she still loves him, and that she will be back if he is still there. This is all true. She has not told him why. Very true. Seems a bit odd that Rick isn't following or having her followed around. Maybe we'll learn more and get to see any covert operation he or his daughter is running on her behalf to keep her safe? I think that's the part that bugs me most...Castle's reaction. This is the guy who always wants the story but when his wife cryptically tells him she needs space and moves out he doesn't ask any questions. He doesn't investigate on his own? He just seems to sit back and wait, or try to "win" Kate back when there's nothing to win. If she still loves him then she's doing this for a reason. Why doesn't Castle seem to care about the reason, the story behind her actions. For me, it's Castle's reaction that makes this separation all the more frustrating. |
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so we come back season after season until one day when there's been too many inconsistency, when the shark's been jumped one too many times, when the story no longer resembles what I've been following, when the storytelling no longer makes sense, that's the day we have to decide whether Castle is entertaining enough to follow or we go entertain ourselves elsewhere.