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Post by castle88 on Oct 20, 2015 18:33:29 GMT -5
I raised this in another thread, but think it deserves its own. What will be the big payoff? They already were/are happily married. What do fans want that we have not gotten? A longer, sexier bedroom scene? I can't think of anything else I've seen fans clamor for.
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Post by castlelover66 on Oct 20, 2015 18:38:28 GMT -5
I want Kate to admit that she was wrong to do what she did in leaving Castle, even temporarily. I want to see Castle angry and call her on her behavior. Then, they can forgive each other and we can have another scene like at the end of Always, only longer and filmed in better light. ;-)
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 20, 2015 18:45:29 GMT -5
I want Kate to admit that she was wrong to do what she did in leaving Castle, even temporarily. I want to see Castle angry and call her on her behavior. Then, they can forgive each other and we can have another scene like at the end of Always, only longer and filmed in better light. ;-) Yes to all of the above...especially the better lighting. But I want Rick to call Kate out on her crap. How does he ever trust her again? How will he not constantly worry that some big case will pop up and his wife will walk out the door again when she feels he needs to be "protected". My fear is that the writers plan to put these two back together and simply move on as though everything's fine again and that might even be worse than what we have now. |
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Post by nathanfan1 on Oct 20, 2015 19:43:43 GMT -5
Best payoff I can think of is the revelation that this has all been a horrible nightmare and they're about to get married in the backyard of the Hamptons.  Now THAT would make me REALLY happy! |
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 20, 2015 19:48:27 GMT -5
I'm reposting this. I wrote it on another thread but I think it belongs here... I want to pull a Dallas! Remember when Bobby Ewing walked out of the shower to find Pam waking up from a nightmare and they made the entire previous season a dream?
Here's what I want to see...Castle walks out of their master bathroom in nothing but a low-slung towel, fresh from the shower. Beckett has just woken up from a bad dream. Castle had been taken on the day of their wedding and it was all just a horrible nightmare. We're actually back to the start of 6.23 where we can now have the big wedding with friends and family that we all deserved and move on from there. 
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Post by kman on Oct 21, 2015 0:00:00 GMT -5
I want Kate to admit that she was wrong to do what she did in leaving Castle, even temporarily. I want to see Castle angry and call her on her behavior. Then, they can forgive each other and we can have another scene like at the end of Always, only longer and filmed in better light. ;-) Yes to all of the above...especially the better lighting. But I want Rick to call Kate out on her crap. How does he ever trust her again? How will he not constantly worry that some big case will pop up and his wife will walk out the door again when she feels he needs to be "protected". My fear is that the writers plan to put these two back together and simply move on as though everything's fine again and that might even be worse than what we have now.
The more Kate stays away, the more it drives a dagger between the relationship and two people who truly loved each other. When the trust is gone, all you have left is the memories. I hope she sees the light. But who knows? It is going to take something really big to snap her out of this, but then the issue arises of trust and will she do it again? I felt she grew out of this job and now it is strangling her. Being Captain is like being Batman. Mild manored Kate, with a private side that know one can know. She shifts from a savy, paper pushing, politician who now oversees the truth, to the one force that no one wants to mess with. As Castle is relentless, she is just as persistent going after the scum of the underworld. It is a part of her DNA.....Together, they fight crime like no other, apart, they face the darkness that fear and loneliness dominate. You live for the second because a moment is just a blur. They need each other. I hope this works out. But they will have to figure out their roles both together and apart. It redefines who they are and who they were. Trust is paramount. Rick is blind with love, Kate sees the reality of a bad situation and what needs to be done to avenge the people who were wronged. She seems to separate marriage from relationship. Whether that is good or bad remains to be seen. The blinders will fall off Rick sooner or later and then he WILL demand the Truth .....ALWAYS. |
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Post by java on Oct 21, 2015 9:25:58 GMT -5
I clamored for the Ferrari and boy am I getting Ferrari's this season. Although, I did want to see Rick driving his wife around and not his daughter. Other things I've clamored for and new things...
The Espo/Beckett backstory. No, I'm not suggesting any romantic involvement but I think something happened here that justified such a fierce brother-sister loyalty.
Beckett on a Harley. Maybe a guest appearance with Dr Motorcycle Boy.
Page 6 gossip about them.
Running into Ex's especially Tom since he's in the same building I think?
Aunt Theresa?
Cousin Sofia?
Beckett at a book signing.
And as much distance as possible from the separation arc and the disappearance arc. I know y'all want a conclusion but I just want these arcs to just disappear so I can just skip these episodes and pretend they never happened.
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Post by willtcastle on Oct 22, 2015 22:33:31 GMT -5
Indeed. That is the million dollar question. What is the payoff for the fans to stick around through this angst fest?
I would like to think that a large part of the fandom have always clamored for more romantic/intimate moments b/w Castle and Beckett. The best we have got is a scene which got deleted and that was 4 years ago when their relationship began. For two actors with such incredible screen presence, synergy, spark and chemistry, you would have thought they would light up our Tv screens if given the opportunity/put in situations similar to that in Always.
But we have seen extremely limited physical contact (Once or twice every season if we are lucky and that too fully clothed. Hell they didn't do the dirty on their honeymoon) b/w Castle and Beckett esp in their bedroom. So I genuinely ask if it is realistic for us to expect something along those lines? Something raunchy, sexy, with Castle and Beckett rolling around naked? (To a similar extent that ABC allows in their other 10 PM shows such as Scandal and Revenge) More than once (Yeah I am being greedy)? If I am being brutally honest, having watched 7 seasons of Castle and going by the murmurs of Nathan and Stana being uncomfortable/unwilling to go that far, I don't expect it. So then am I just looking at them going back to how they were in Seasons 6/7? And if the end game is to get back to that, then why did we need to run this breakup storyline in the first place?
Perhaps the payoff would (Should) also involve the characters evolving beyond what they were before. In Beckett's case, it needs to be to stop running away on her own all the time and take Castle's opinion because it is their life now not hers. And for Castle, he needs to let go of his insecurities concerning his worth as a husband and stop pining for/running after Beckett at every instant. He needs to hold his ground for once and let her come to him/gently pull her to him. Most of all, these two morons need to understand the concept of communication. For people who have known each other for 8 years and been together for 4, they still can't express their views and trust the other to understand them. For any relationship to survive, that is a necessity.
But seriously their has to be a seriously hot sex scene before the end of the season. Period....
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Post by java on Oct 22, 2015 22:48:29 GMT -5
Indeed. That is the million dollar question. What is the payoff for the fans to stick around through this angst fest? I would like to think that a large part of the fandom have always clamored for more romantic/intimate moments b/w Castle and Beckett. The best we have got is a scene which got deleted and that was 4 years ago when their relationship began. For two actors with such incredible screen presence, synergy, spark and chemistry, you would have thought they would light up our Tv screens if given the opportunity/put in situations similar to that in Always. But we have seen extremely limited physical contact (Once or twice every season if we are lucky and that too fully clothed. Hell they didn't do the dirty on their honeymoon) b/w Castle and Beckett esp in their bedroom. So I genuinely ask if it is realistic for us to expect something along those lines? Something raunchy, sexy, with Castle and Beckett rolling around naked? (To a similar extent that ABC allows in their other 10 PM shows such as Scandal and Revenge) More than once (Yeah I am being greedy)? If I am being brutally honest, having watched 7 seasons of Castle and going by the murmurs of Nathan and Stana being uncomfortable/unwilling to go that far, I don't expect it. So then am I just looking at them going back to how they were in Seasons 6/7? And if the end game is to get back to that, then why did we need to run this breakup storyline in the first place? Perhaps the payoff would (Should) also involve the characters evolving beyond what they were before. In Beckett's case, it needs to be to stop running away on her own all the time and take Castle's opinion because it is their life now not hers. And for Castle, he needs to let go of his insecurities concerning his worth as a husband and stop pining for/running after Beckett at every instant. He needs to hold his ground for once and let her come to him/gently pull her to him. Most of all, these two morons need to understand the concept of communication. For people who have known each other for 8 years and been together for 4, they still can't express their views and trust the other to understand them. For any relationship to survive, that is a necessity. But seriously their has to be a seriously hot sex scene before the end of the season. Period.... Perhaps we will see Beckett grow as captain. She'll need to manage and command people instead of being a Lone Ranger. The power of law enforcement is the sheer number of people and resources they can throw at a case and that's more than she could ever hope to do by herself. Ironic or maybe bad writing that she didn't realize this herself since she never did solve her mother's murder by herself. It took Castle being nosy and Esposito risking everything to hand him the Joanna Beckett case file. |
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Post by willtcastle on Oct 22, 2015 23:17:05 GMT -5
hmmm. That is definitely something they can look to do. But the problem that the TPTB end up facing making Beckett a normal captain ala Montgomery or Gates and Castle a writer husband to a precinct captain, is how it ends up reducing the screen time of the two lead characters (Both individually and together).
And rightly or wrongly, most of the fans are in to watch Castle and/or Beckett. If the writers are unwilling to expand their personal relationship and what their married life entails, then they have to make Beckett a more hands-on captain and Castle a PI who butts into investigations to ensure that between them both leads end up being on screen for a significant portion of each episode. Any more focus/screen time for the side characters and the fans would revolt. (Well even more so than they already do).
807 has almost no Beckett (SK) in it. It won't surprise me one bit if the viewership for that episode is even less. Now if Castle (NF) was to be absent from half of the episode as well, I am positive the ratings would be another series low. Nathan and Stana carry the show and the fans primarily want to see them interact. Their is no getting around that fact.
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Now THAT would make me REALLY happy!
