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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Oct 20, 2015 0:19:56 GMT -5
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Oct 20, 2015 2:00:09 GMT -5
I will admit, I found this more entertaining than the rest of the season to date. Kate has stopped actively trying to bar him from the precinct and at least has stopped avoiding him and pushing him away emotionally too. Though you are right on the money with their separation casting a pall on everything. I have to admit, I think I am beginning to figure out what's going on here, and why they keep hitting us over the head by how often people on the outside are easily connecting Castle and Beckett via their marriage. She can't escape it, at least not for long. Eventually Kate is going to have to connect the dots and realize that, though she can keep the case from him, she can't really protect him by staying away. (if this random guy could figure this out and get into a secure building to get at Castle, what's to stop professional assassins?) One small hopeful thing, Kate has not removed ALL of her things, just packed her clothes so she will have stuff to wear. I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I see it. I'm waiting for a real threat to Castle to materialize to drive the point home. Though as I expected the episodes are getting lighter leading up to the hiatus. I guess the show-runners are not complete fools. |
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Post by lindy on Oct 20, 2015 2:24:02 GMT -5
I agree the separation does bring the story down a notch. Hard to enjoy it when you have this sadness lingering in the background. Mia and Martha were great. Castle was even more likable. I like the comedy, but sometimes it can get a little silly. His scenes with Mia were good. Castle and Beckett seemed less uncomfortable this week. A nice hug and I swear she called him 'babe'! I think part of the reason in the early eps she was always pushing Castle away was because she didn't want these mystery people knowing he was working with her...or trying to. Not sure if they can resolve their issues by fall finale...we'll see.
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Post by shutterbug5269 on Oct 20, 2015 3:40:51 GMT -5
I'll settle for a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't an oncoming train, right now.
If in start hoping they will end their separation by the finale, I'm not sure I could survive two months of radio silence if it doesn't happen.
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Post by marschg on Oct 20, 2015 7:00:00 GMT -5
Loved your review, I agreed with everything you wrote, I think episode was one of the best this season, thanks for posting, but I do hope they are together before the hiatus
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 7:39:10 GMT -5
Its all about leaverage. Its not that Castle and Beckett is married, its about Beckett putting on a front of seperating from Castle. If the person or persons unknow come after Beckett they will just assume that she doesn't care for Castle anymore. Therefore, the just might hesitate on taking him hostage or using him against her.
So in away she is protecting him just not in away that is producive for the show, if people is not understanding the storyline. It took me from getting over my mad that I finally realize what the showrunners are trying to do with this season.
They did say that this season is going to show us why these two were for eachother.
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Post by java on Oct 20, 2015 8:33:13 GMT -5
I don't know how you do it. I would have been fired by now. Season 8 is a mess. Professional homicide detectives with a background in narcotics and undercover work don't shoot at silhouettes. The regression of characters for the sake of bringing back fun or love eyeballs is like trying to become a virgin again and dating for the first time. It's not working for me with the way they're creating the story. I think the reason why we all love Martha is because she hasn't regressed. |
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Post by geezer2008 on Oct 20, 2015 10:48:15 GMT -5
I thought your review was spot on, Christine. LOL, but I could find nothing to disagree with!! I, too, had a love/hate reaction to this episode. I sorta get what TPTB are doing with Rick and Kate, but still don't like it. I felt bad for Kevin, but was not too surprised because of the way they are doing this season. The humor, Martha, and "the nose" were great fun. I totally agree with your assessment of Rick and Kate. The core of the show feels like it is missing and it is just a funny, cute procedural at this point.
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Post by nathanfan1 on Oct 20, 2015 11:02:48 GMT -5
I'm feeling much the same as everyone else. I read through the comments to the review and it sure sounds like the vast majority of the readers also feel this separation arc has been a disaster.
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Post by willtcastle on Oct 22, 2015 21:05:08 GMT -5
I would say this episode was probably the best of the season thus far. I watched 804 and 805 just today having been away for work. I feel as though the writers are trying to get the show back to a lighter feel like the first 2-3 seasons. The comedic elements in this episode definitely made me laugh, except for the crude animistic humor. Sorry I just am not a fan of that.
It is still difficult for me to fathom how Ryan failed his exam and Esposito passed. The guest actor and Martha were the highlight of the episode for me.
One thing that I was worried about when rumors of a Caskett split were floating around in the summer was what impact it would have on Nathan and Stana's screen time together. I just read on another website that in the last 3 episodes they have only been on screen in the same frame for 8 min, 7 min and 4 min 20 sec respectively.
Despite the ongoing war b/w the Nathan and Stana fans on the interweb, most would agree that a majority of the fans of the show watch for the Castle-Beckett dynamic and the chemistry that Nathan and Stana bring to their interactions. Having them together in only a few moments of every episode is counterproductive whichever way you look at it. The only thing that is going to do is drive more and more fans away. The Caskett split and the contrived reasoning behind it (Together with a lack of explanation and moments where the viewers get to view their inner turmoil about what the split is doing to them) are disappointing to say the least (And the fact that it is unclear if they are moving further apart or reconciling as the episodes roll on.), but with the serious lack of moments featuring the two lead actors, their just isn't enough motivation for myself and many others who I know to look forward to watching the next episode live.
The writers and the showrunners definitely know it by now (If they already didn't anticipate this prior to running with this storyline) that the viewership is going to keep declining if the show keeps on moving in this direction. A couple of moments of subtext showing us that the couple love each other is nowhere near enough to atone for the absurdity of the storyline, the lack of interaction b/w the lead characters and the feeling that this arc could get dragged a lot further than the fans anticipate. (And to be perfectly honest, with the snippets, spoilers and interviews going around and the fact that neither the cast nor the showrunners have come out to dissuade the viewers' fears, it is difficult to be optimistic).
It is quite worrying when in every interview that the showrunners have done over the last cpl of months, they keep on saying that if the fans give them a chance, they would understand and appreciate what the they were trying to achieve and that the end result would be worth it.
My concern is when is that end result/payoff going to happen? In the fall finale, halfway through the season or in the season finale? And is this payoff going to be big enough for the fans to have to overlook the damage that this current arc is doing to the characters in question and to their relationship? A lot of my fellow Castle fans are waiting for the fall finale and won't be coming back to watch in Feb if this mess isn't sorted out by then.
Again, I am just left to wonder if the showrunners just made a genuine mistake in anticipating the reaction of the loyal fans to the plot they were looking to present or is it that they are working under some constraints needing to accommodate the wishes of the actors wanting to spend as little time working together as possible? I guess the upcoming episodes will tell us more in that regard. If the amount of time Caskett are together on screen is as low as in the episodes till now or if their isn't any reconciliation by the fall finale, then I fear the show might permanently lose another chunk of viewers before it comes back on air in Feb.
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