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Post by Fjordmom on May 17, 2016 6:48:29 GMT -5
I loved the last 30 seconds.... I loved the last 30 seconds.... I loved the last 30 seconds.... It must have killed Hawley and Winters to make something happy and satisfying. Yes ... I am bitter ...season 8....so much promise ...so poorly written and managed But this may have been Nathans finest hour ...he did good... We finally got a glimpse into Ricks mind....he tries to please everyone except himself....and Stana as always was brilliant....she let Rick know how much she loved him...more than all of the 21 previous episodes. OK episode...great ending...crappy season Kman, you nailed it in a nutshell... |
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Post by Fjordmom on May 17, 2016 6:51:40 GMT -5
Thank you to all who write so eloquently and in depth...I just can't do it... You catch things that escape me and make it a richer experience for me.
I am looking forward to the videos and gifs that will tease out the best parts of this episode. And will watch this ep again, some day, because I know there is much I missed.
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Post by castlelover66 on May 17, 2016 7:32:13 GMT -5
What an intense ride! I knew with Rob Bowman directing it would be. A few things I loved: Castle's words to Mr. Flynn about Kate and Kate's words to Mason about Castle. Need to listen to those again. LOVED how Ryan and Espo had Kate's back the entire night and challenged her authority and she listened. Gonna miss those two so much! Loved the last 30 seconds.
A few things that confused me: If the DNA of the burned guy was a match to Caleb, and Caleb wasn't dead, then who was the guy in the trunk? What exactly was LocSat anyway? I know the explanation was that he was behind Bracken, but the details are kind of fuzzy. Totally didn't see it coming that Mason was the bad guy.
Everyone's acting was superb in this episode. I always enjoy it when Nathan does "dark" Castle. Loved how intense and emotional he was.
I yelled at the TV when Castle and Beckett were shot in the loft. Then I cried because I thought that was the end. I thought the empty loft and words from the end of their first case were their dying thoughts. Surprised to see "7 years later." Don't shoot me, but I think I would have been ok with them both dying together. Tragic, but fitting. Glad that it didn't happen though. I am REALLY curious what the original ending was supposed to be with Stana not coming back. Wonder if that will be an extra on the season 8 DVDs.
All in all, I was OK with the episode. Not perfect, but it ended well, so I'm happy. I'm so gonna miss these characters whom I've grown to love.
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Post by castle88 on May 17, 2016 8:48:52 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the episode. The ending if it was a season finale would have been the two of them lying there holding hands.
I think given that it was a series finale I would have lost the Caleb twist and used that time to segue into the seven years later. Maybe Kate goes into change and Castle is watching her from the stove then pan to the door and Kaye walks out, it says seven years later. They still do the voice over, and we follow her to the breakfast bar and there are the kids and Castle.
That being said who knows what constraints there were. Certainly a lot easier to stick 30 seconds on then to reedit.
I am in the minority, but I thought season 8 was pretty strong given that it seems Nathan and Stana did not appear a lot together (compared to previous years). If the rumors are true, the writers may not have had a lot of options. My only real objection was splitting them for six episodes. But, I thought the cases were interesting snd the show was well written.
Great ride with a great story. Made better by a board where people could express their opinions. And a board where members could disagree without being disagreeable. It's been a pleasure.
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Post by geezer2008 on May 17, 2016 10:20:28 GMT -5
We enjoyed the finale but felt the 7 years later was like a throw in for the fans to end on an upbeat. Right before the Castle finale, we watched the Series finale for Mike and Molly. IMO, the writers there did it just right. As viewers, we were able to appreciate and say goodbye to all the characters who made that show fun over the seasons. With Castle, we did not get that nice closure. It felt rushed and inadequate to us. We got 30 seconds for the 8 years we devoted to and LOVED the show. We are happy that Rick and Kate got ALWAYS with a beautiful family but, at the same time, are very sad that we did not get to say Goodbye decently. Watching both finales back to back enabled us to see the differences. Mike and Molly ended well. Castle left us with the same unsettled feelings we had all of S8. JMO
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Post by castle88 on May 17, 2016 10:25:26 GMT -5
We enjoyed the finale but felt the 7 years later was like a throw in for the fans to end on an upbeat. Right before the Castle finale, we watched the Series finale for Mike and Molly. IMO, the writers there did it just right. As viewers, we were able to appreciate and say goodbye to all the characters who made that show fun over the seasons. With Castle, we did not get that nice closure. It felt rushed and inadequate to us. We got 30 seconds for the 8 years we devoted to and LOVED the show. We are happy that Rick and Kate got ALWAYS with a beautiful family but, at the same time, are very sad that we did not get to say Goodbye decently. Watching both finales back to back enabled us to see the differences. Mike and Molly ended well. Castle left us with the same unsettled feelings we had all of S8. JMO In fairness, that is because Mike and Molly writers knew all year this was the last season. Castle's writers found out 5 days ago. |
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Post by nathanfan1 on May 17, 2016 14:32:52 GMT -5
I want to take a moment to congratulate Rob Bowman on a job well done! He directed last night's episode. While I fully understand and agree with comments that this was rushed and that it should have been a 2 parter earlier in the season, the bottom line is that Rob was simply handed a script and told to make it happen. I have no doubt that the man invested an ungodly amount of hours going over every detail and planning every shot. He succeeded in cramming an immense amount of story into 42 minutes and brought out the very best in his actors. Kudos to him for being one of the BEST in the business! Castle has been blessed to have him throughout the entire series run. I sure hope he has a LONG vacation now!  |
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Post by ddcnj on May 17, 2016 16:57:29 GMT -5
Need to watch it again. I was so concerned with how it would end I'm sure I missed some of the details. Glad they got their happy ending. BUT, I really wish they'd either gotten a short final season, like Bones or The Mentalist, or that the cancellation decision had been made mid-season like Good Wife so they could have had time to wrap things up properly instead of cramming everything into 1 episode. Would have been nice to see the fallout from taking down LokSat, Alexis graduating from college, Rick & Kate finally feeling secure about the future and deciding to start a family, Espo's promotion to Sgt., etc. Plus the unanswered questions of did Kate decide to finish out her 20 years with the NYPD (she has about 15 already) and did Rick ever write serious novels? Maybe there'll be more Nicki heat books, the ones so far have filled in somme gaps.
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Post by tycho657 on May 17, 2016 18:57:16 GMT -5
I think we will have to wait for answers to all these great questions until Andrew starts writing the Castle books. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Post by arky on May 17, 2016 19:39:43 GMT -5
I was thinking of my Castle family tonight as I watched the Castle finale. I should be asleep getting ready to teach in the morning, but I knew tonight was a night I needed to revisit my roots It seems like another life with the abc boards (for those who were around for that),the viewing parties and theorizing, but what fun it was! The show had run its course and it was time, but it was bittersweet watching. Sucks that a show known for its finale's couldn't have had time to wrap everthing up that wasn't hurried (I know I read they filmed the alternate ending in case it was cancelled), which is what I felt like watching. But it kept me guessing until the end! Which is one of the things I loved about it in the first place. Not sure what ending I would have preferred, them both dying together or the happy ending...is that terrible of me? Lol. Because when I thought they were going to die together, my words were, "what a shootty (lol it keeps changing the word I want to go here) ending," but then their 5 second clip into the future I was like, "huh?" But it is what it is. I guess I'm glad for the happily ever after, which is what I always wanted I just love this post !!! I't mirrors many of my own thoughts. What a ride this series has been. So many fans that I've come to know and oh yes we are a family in every respect. We laughed and cried as one. We loved,laughed and tonight lost a part of ourselves but not the glue that held us all together. We will be able to discuss the series finale and the series in general for a long time. I see this board as a chance to move forward with new and interesting shows to debate and discuss.I just hope I get the chance to debate and discuss with you. |
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Post by joana on May 20, 2016 15:53:53 GMT -5
I have seen the finale a few days ago but until now I haven't had the time to post here. Considering I had low expectations and fear of what was coming, I was very glad with the last 30 seconds, that allowed me be to be able to watch the episode and bare all the darkness. It's sad it came to the point that I'm just glad the finale didn't ruin the whole story and gave us a happy vision of the future to keep in our minds. We deserved more. This epic show deserved to end in the hands of a showrunner who could give it a proper ending. I really wish Andrew Marlowe had written it.
Still, I think the last 30 seconds are very important, for two reasons: not only because it provides a happy ending and a vision of the future that opens the doors to a lot of fanfiction, and who knows, maybe movies or books, but also because it blocks all possibilites of a spin off with Rick and without Kate. I was affraid that even if they didn't do it know, they might try it in one or two years. Gladly, this ending ends all possibilites of killing Kate at least for the next seven years.
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Post by 1Lincoln40 on Jun 3, 2016 9:47:06 GMT -5
Hi everyone!
I'm posting as someone who has still to progress beyond the first 2 episodes but I made the effort to watch the last 5 minutes of the last ever episode live.
I see what everyone was saying about that magnetic ceiling - really? Although I sensed badass Beckett!
Also despite the fact that I had watched the last 2 minutes as soon as someone was kind enough to post on youtube, that transition from lying on the floor to the 7yrs later, STILL grates. What an absolute waste of those young actors. I would have loved to have seen just a few more minutes of them.
Also just wanted to post what was written in the weekend magazine of a newspaper.
"For its last-ever episode, Castle hits its best-ever form, with nonstop laughs, tears and thrills as the duo take on Loksat for the final time. The show has had a remarkable run, especially when you consider that, for much of its eight seasons, Castle and Beckett have been a happy couple - plenty of shows die off without that 'will they/won't they' fizz."
And after the final episode, Alibi was quick to say to watch "Classic Castle" episodes which at the moment are from S3.
So I guess I am just adding my voice to others who have asked, how did ABC not get what made Castle such a success for so long?
Happy to see people still here, thank you!
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Post by ProudTVJunkie on Jun 3, 2016 10:57:36 GMT -5
Thanks for chiming in 1Lincoln40! I think the biggest problem with Castle was that the writers always feared they'd lose the audience if they just let them be a happy, normal couple who solved crimes. That fear is why we never got the big wedding at the end of season 6. It's why we got the silly abduction story in season 7 and why we were stuck with LokSat in season 8. If the showrunners would have trusted their audience and written from a place of hope instead of fear, we might still have an amazing show to watch. Just my two cents... |
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Post by tycho657 on Jun 3, 2016 11:49:17 GMT -5
Thanks for chiming in 1Lincoln40! I think the biggest problem with Castle was that the writers always feared they'd lose the audience if they just let them be a happy, normal couple who solved crimes. That fear is why we never got the big wedding at the end of season 6. It's why we got the silly abduction story in season 7 and why we were stuck with LokSat in season 8. If the showrunners would have trusted their audience and written from a place of hope instead of fear, we might still have an amazing show to watch. Just my two cents... Yes, exactly! Sent from my SM-N910V using proboards |
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Post by joana on Jun 3, 2016 13:28:29 GMT -5
Thanks for chiming in 1Lincoln40 ! I think the biggest problem with Castle was that the writers always feared they'd lose the audience if they just let them be a happy, normal couple who solved crimes. That fear is why we never got the big wedding at the end of season 6. It's why we got the silly abduction story in season 7 and why we were stuck with LokSat in season 8. If the showrunners would have trusted their audience and written from a place of hope instead of fear, we might still have an amazing show to watch. Just my two cents... I agree completely. |
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